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Postby endless dave » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:29 pm

I also agree that “it’s [state]” is bullshit but Alabama might be the one exception to the rule
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Postby pinkerton » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:36 pm

Man the pitchforks are out for Richard Shelby on my Facebook page. Almost tempted to defend him. These people have no clue that if you're a Republican having a Senator on your side that's held his seat for 30+ years is a very good thing.

Also making age jokes...he's about 18 months older than trump.
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Postby pinkerton » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:37 pm

endless dave wrote:I also agree that “it’s [state]” is bullshit but Alabama might be the one exception to the rule


Louisiana and Kansas too. This Moore thing would definitely happen in either of those states, several others too.
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Postby Self Destructive Zone » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:38 pm

There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier
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Postby Bernie » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:42 pm

If we can’t all agree that Doug Jones getting elected in Alabama would be a good and positive moment for this country then I’m seriously going to give up
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Postby blurst of times » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:47 pm

there was a similar dsa statement before the virginia election that withdrew support for northam that ended up not making much of a difference

i absolutely hope dougie jones wins and would be thrilled if he did but it's also ok to be critical of his flaws
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Postby Hoxha » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:48 pm

light rail coyote wrote:that medium article isn't great but the idea that it's a.) representative of every left leaning voter in AL and is representative of why moore is likely to win is bullshit and b.) the idea that you can't critically support flawed candidates while also honestly critiquing the ways in which they're flawed because it will cost them the election or because "it's alabama" is also bullshit.


'Here's a list of reasons the candidate is bad' without context isn't really an honest critique of anything.

As far as I can gather, the most left-leaning candidate in the Dem primaries in Alabama did substantially worse than a guy who got votes just by virtue of having the last name Kennedy.
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Postby light rail coyote » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:01 pm

i agree, which is why it's a good thing i started my post with "that medium article isn't great"
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Postby tgk » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:04 pm

Self Destructive Zone wrote:There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier


These leftists are deeply delusional if they think far right rule would lead the people to violently overthrow our government.
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Postby tgk » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:06 pm

And its only going to be a "bloodbath" in the sense of poor people dying because of a lack of social services.
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Postby pinkerton » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:08 pm

Yes that medium article is so misguided. The state Democratic Party (maybe the weakest and worst run major state party organization in the whole country) was begging people to run for this seat. Before Jones stepped in, they were recruiting an associate professor at my school whose only qualifications were going to Harvard and working on John Kerry's campaign.

Jones is the only type of Democratic candidate that could stand a chance of winning a statewide election in Alabama - something no democrat has done in 10 years. DSA people need to get more comfortable with the idea of getting your foot in the door in a state like Alabama. Jones has spoken in progressive terms about healthcare, education, and workers' rights. Do they *want* him to get 20% of the vote?
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Postby BanEmAll Collective » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:08 pm

tgk wrote:
Self Destructive Zone wrote:There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier


These leftists are deeply delusional if they think far right rule would lead the people to violently overthrow our government.


Like even if things got insanely bad the rich would just drone us all to death.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:15 pm

wheres freazin season
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Postby walt whitman » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:47 pm

tgk wrote:
Self Destructive Zone wrote:There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier


These leftists are deeply delusional if they think far right rule would lead the people to violently overthrow our government.

the Right's interest in expanding gun ownership to every citizen almost as a mandate, is a great way to prevent a revolution
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Postby murray st. » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:35 pm

pirro is really Out Here

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Postby kit fox » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:47 pm

yeah, damn. a solid half of her sentences just don't make sense syntactically, let alone the meaning of whatever it is she's trying to say.
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Postby BanEmAll Collective » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:15 pm

kit fox wrote:yeah, damn. a solid half of her sentences just don't make sense syntactically, let alone the meaning of whatever it is she's trying to say.


It’s strange watching my family make sense of this kind of babbling. Fox News could really just do free associations and they’d dig it.
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Postby surly » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:16 pm

pirro's a living email forward
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Postby endless dave » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:24 pm

I forget, was Pirro every under serious consideration for a cabinet or admin position?
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Postby tgk » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:25 pm

Supreme court
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:27 pm

There's no way she'd get confirmed for anything even with the GOP rubber stamp, she has a well-documented history of doing insane shit
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Postby black mamba » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:32 pm

a guy is about to be elected to senate that can't even get into a crappy suburban alabama mall
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Postby black mamba » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:33 pm

because he tries to have sex with teenage girls there
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Postby light rail coyote » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:33 pm

tgk wrote:
Self Destructive Zone wrote:There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier


These leftists are deeply delusional if they think far right rule would lead the people to violently overthrow our government.


in my experience, these people are mostly just anarchists who aren't really serious about their leftism. any marxist who actually understands how state power works understands that accelerationism is stupid because it assumes that the working class' material conditions getting worse wouldn't destroy it's ability to engage in organizing. nor do they understand the way the state criminalizes poverty as a way to avoid having to deal with poverty in any way that would threaten its power. both of these are things the right actively wants to happen so letting them consolidate political power is obviously a terrible thing and anyone who says otherwise is a shitty marxist.

even from a hard left perspective, incremental change and reforms and transitional demands are necessary to build organization, put the working class on steady feet so they have more time to do politics, and because it's ethically correct. we criticize "incrementalism" as a political philosophy/strategy because incrementalism doesn't actually refer to the incremental nature of building power through small strategic victories, it's referring to a specific political philosophy/strategy that basically views progress as inevitable and that you tweak things here or there until this somehow creates the capacity to realize progress at a later date.

i think "lesser evil" strategic voting is overrated and is often based on a really bad misreading of duverger's law, but in a state like alabama where the choice is a milquetoast dem who can help fuck up the GOP vs. a child molester who openly supports slavery, lesser evil voting is about as justified as it's ever been in american history and it's why many prominent socialists have been willing to endorse moore!
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Postby tgk » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:54 pm

You could say the same thing about trump/hillary and yet people still wrote in Bernie
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Postby tgk » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:55 pm

Trump is worse than moore and hillary is better than jones but that was the hill people wanted to die on and here we are
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Postby Big Oil » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:57 pm

Pirro is a complete ghoul but there is something weirdly satisfying about seeing her push herself to new heights of bugfuck lunacy just to get noticed by Trump, only to read that she has generally been ignored and that he walked out of a meeting with her because he was bored.
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Postby Big Oil » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:57 pm

Mags was right, palace intrigue rules.
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Postby light rail coyote » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:08 pm

tgk wrote:You could say the same thing about trump/hillary and yet people still wrote in Bernie


not at a number that it had a significant effect on the outcome of the election
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