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Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:43 pm
by Buzz Fledderjohn
hot take i think doug jones has run a mostly pretty good campaign all things considered

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:45 pm
by light rail coyote
that medium article isn't great but the idea that it's a.) representative of every left leaning voter in AL and is representative of why moore is likely to win is bullshit and b.) the idea that you can't critically support flawed candidates while also honestly critiquing the ways in which they're flawed because it will cost them the election or because "it's alabama" is also bullshit.

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:46 pm
by Durham
jones winning tuesday would be the second best Doug Jones payoff moment in 2017
roy moore in the black lodge memes are gonna be sick

of course, we live in the Odessa pocket universe of hell,, so

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:50 pm
by light rail coyote
"we now go live to roy moore's election HQ for his concession speech"
Image

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:50 pm
by Buzz Fledderjohn
as much as windom earle was a stupid character that's one of my all-time fave shots from the show

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:57 pm
by Gnarls
We gassin' up the jet in here?

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:00 pm
by Buzz Fledderjohn
lol


Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:04 pm
by easy
our president is a dumb fucking asshole

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:05 pm
by DasLofGang
sounds like somebody's not much of a chance-giver

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:06 pm
by Buzz Fledderjohn
i think a year is a fair amount of time to give a president chance, and so far i like the guy!

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:08 pm
by blurst of times
light rail coyote wrote:that medium article isn't great but the idea that it's a.) representative of every left leaning voter in AL and is representative of why moore is likely to win is bullshit and b.) the idea that you can't critically support flawed candidates while also honestly critiquing the ways in which they're flawed because it will cost them the election or because "it's alabama" is also bullshit.


yeah

it's not like there's a ton of socialist/dsa members in alabama who would be swayed by a random medium article. i don't think it's gonna make a huge difference compared to all the other forces working against jones

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:28 pm
by endless dave
I think Jones is a pretty solid get also considering he was originally going into a contest he was certainly going to lose by 10-15+ points, even with pre-abuse Moore and thus is not too many rings above the standard deep red state Dem position seat filler and he’s still a pretty enthusiastic supporter of the Dem platform. Not too many hedges on policy but really just heavy on the “I want to work together across the aisle” and “I want to fix Washington” tropes

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:28 pm
by palmer eldritch
dunking on both parties are the same leftists is played put but otoh it would be nice if leftists cared as much about the scotus as far right fellows

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:29 pm
by endless dave
I also agree that “it’s [state]” is bullshit but Alabama might be the one exception to the rule

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:36 pm
by pinkerton
Man the pitchforks are out for Richard Shelby on my Facebook page. Almost tempted to defend him. These people have no clue that if you're a Republican having a Senator on your side that's held his seat for 30+ years is a very good thing.

Also making age jokes...he's about 18 months older than trump.

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:37 pm
by pinkerton
endless dave wrote:I also agree that “it’s [state]” is bullshit but Alabama might be the one exception to the rule


Louisiana and Kansas too. This Moore thing would definitely happen in either of those states, several others too.

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:38 pm
by Self Destructive Zone
There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:42 pm
by Bernie
If we can’t all agree that Doug Jones getting elected in Alabama would be a good and positive moment for this country then I’m seriously going to give up

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:47 pm
by blurst of times
there was a similar dsa statement before the virginia election that withdrew support for northam that ended up not making much of a difference

i absolutely hope dougie jones wins and would be thrilled if he did but it's also ok to be critical of his flaws

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:48 pm
by Hoxha
light rail coyote wrote:that medium article isn't great but the idea that it's a.) representative of every left leaning voter in AL and is representative of why moore is likely to win is bullshit and b.) the idea that you can't critically support flawed candidates while also honestly critiquing the ways in which they're flawed because it will cost them the election or because "it's alabama" is also bullshit.


'Here's a list of reasons the candidate is bad' without context isn't really an honest critique of anything.

As far as I can gather, the most left-leaning candidate in the Dem primaries in Alabama did substantially worse than a guy who got votes just by virtue of having the last name Kennedy.

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:01 pm
by light rail coyote
i agree, which is why it's a good thing i started my post with "that medium article isn't great"

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:04 pm
by tgk
Self Destructive Zone wrote:There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier


These leftists are deeply delusional if they think far right rule would lead the people to violently overthrow our government.

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:06 pm
by tgk
And its only going to be a "bloodbath" in the sense of poor people dying because of a lack of social services.

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:08 pm
by pinkerton
Yes that medium article is so misguided. The state Democratic Party (maybe the weakest and worst run major state party organization in the whole country) was begging people to run for this seat. Before Jones stepped in, they were recruiting an associate professor at my school whose only qualifications were going to Harvard and working on John Kerry's campaign.

Jones is the only type of Democratic candidate that could stand a chance of winning a statewide election in Alabama - something no democrat has done in 10 years. DSA people need to get more comfortable with the idea of getting your foot in the door in a state like Alabama. Jones has spoken in progressive terms about healthcare, education, and workers' rights. Do they *want* him to get 20% of the vote?

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:08 pm
by BanEmAll Collective
tgk wrote:
Self Destructive Zone wrote:There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier


These leftists are deeply delusional if they think far right rule would lead the people to violently overthrow our government.


Like even if things got insanely bad the rich would just drone us all to death.

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:15 pm
by palmer eldritch
wheres freazin season

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:41 pm
by delgriffith

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:47 pm
by walt whitman
tgk wrote:
Self Destructive Zone wrote:There are some leftists I know whom I believe are cynically interested in things getting worse because incremental change slows the revolution but far right rule will lead to a violent overthrow of the current system. It goes without saying that there is a palpable lack of empathy for the people they purportedly care about helping. But whatever, this might end in a blood bath anyway so onward Marxist soldier


These leftists are deeply delusional if they think far right rule would lead the people to violently overthrow our government.

the Right's interest in expanding gun ownership to every citizen almost as a mandate, is a great way to prevent a revolution

Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:35 pm
by murray st.
pirro is really Out Here


Re: POTUS Trump Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:47 pm
by kit fox
yeah, damn. a solid half of her sentences just don't make sense syntactically, let alone the meaning of whatever it is she's trying to say.