Elections 2018. NJ-03 placed on doink watch

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is MacArthur about to get doinked

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Postby incoherent grunting » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:26 am

ugh, talking politics is so boooooooring
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Postby light rail coyote » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:27 am

I can't keep track of all of the politics threads is this the one I use to complain about all of the people attacking AOC for protecting the identities of sex workers and immigrants by claiming that it's trump-like
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:29 am

we've been doing it in the POTUS thread so far but it's insane yeah
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Postby tgk » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:43 am

They're going to try and tear her down every chance they get might as well get used to it.
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Postby laserblast » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:44 am

when you take it as a truism that Both Sides you have to find stories to fit your narrative
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Postby light rail coyote » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:56 am

was gonna post it in the POTUS thread but it's less of a derailment here

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there's so many parts of this "controversy" that are pissing me off but this is the big one, for sure.

that kind of big money fundraiser is almost always closed off to the press and it's almost never questioned. these things are invite-only in the sense that the elected official or someone on their staff calls you and sends you an RSVP note but it's never explicitly stated that the press can't go- they're just not invited and they respect it because that's a private event as long as the elected official puts "private fundraiser" or "private event" on their public calendar, then so be it. (i used to send out these emails and make these calls for a living. like 60% of being a political fundraiser is just being a glorified party planner, i never once saw press there but did see major campaigns discussing strategy with groups as big as 200 people so it's not like these things are small).

yet somehow doing an invite only event with the a part of the constituency that gets arbitrarily labeled "the general public" is somehow this horrific affront to journalism because how dare these important and democracy-protecting reporters not get to a meeting that's essentially the same thing- AOC doesn't do corporate donor brunches so when she meets with her direct constituency and core supporters it looks like this and not like that. it also exposes a lot of ignorance in terms of how little the press understands about this type of political organizing, both in the sense that the previous statement is foreign to them, but also in the sense that this is pretty standard protocol when you're doing grassroots organizing with communities that are at constant risk of police attacking them.

it's also extra extra embarrassing how much of this i've seen from #resistance types because, like, c'mon maybe it was okay to be totally ignorant about how this stuff works years ago but we have videos of ICE dragging off people taking their spouses to the hospital, how do you not understand the connection between these things. (i'm not saying anyone here has been doing it, just general venting because i'm seeing a lot of this elsewhere)
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Postby laserblast » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:02 pm

the #resistance should be fired into the sun
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Postby laserblast » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:02 pm

(which we will do, slowly, by winning elections)
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Postby tgk » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:04 pm

I think they know what they're doing they just don't care AOC gets clicks that's the bottom line for these journalists.
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:08 pm

Plus they actually really want leftist bogeymen like AOC and antifa because it lets them feel like they really are striking a fair path down the middle.
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Postby light rail coyote » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:23 pm

tgk wrote:I think they know what they're doing they just don't care AOC gets clicks that's the bottom line for these journalists.


i dunno i do a lot of community organizing and read way too much political journalism and most people at major outlets seem like they have no clue how the former works in almost every circumstance.

i just don't think most political journalists understand how political organizing works outside of a very limited electoral context.
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Postby Barthes Starr » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:34 pm

good post, lrc
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Postby laserblast » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:52 pm

good points lrc.

to build on them a bit: you will recall that one of the right's favorite sneering attacks against obama ca. 2007/2008 was "community organizer." that specific attack (like all the other specific attacks against him) had barely disguised racial connotations, but it's worth asking: why did that work? and the reason is that community organizing does not scan, for the average privileged (read: white) american, as a full-time act. so that's how people implicitly understand that the obama attacks are just code for "why can't this lazy you-know-what get a real job."

there's an immense irony in this. what is being part of a homeowners association, or a NIMBY neighborhood advisory committee, or the Concerned Parents of City X who fight integrated public schools tooth and nail, if not an act of community organizing? but the kind of coming together we're talking about -- the kind that requires earnest, eager, hard-working, full-time professional staff to help people pull themselves out of the sticky loam of the u.s. underclass -- simply isn't a part of the lives of people who can pull the levers of power. or at least not in the same way. in the most literal sense of the word, those with privilege are ignorant of community organizing; it is invisible to them.

which, i think you see where i'm going here, brings us back full circle to the kinds of people who hold positions of power in the press and the culture of the institutions they create. last i checked there is 1 person on the new york times masthead who didn't go to an ivy or a private liberal arts school. how could they possibly understand the kinds of institutions that the working-class left is trying to create? and, just as importantly, how could the institutions they build ever develop a passionate defense of the working class (even though they bang it into your head in j-school to comfort the afflicted + afflict the comfortable)? not to be all redpill on people but shit, newspapers have business sections, not labor sections.

this intersects with a lot of other areas of journalism and culture that i could talk about for literally thousands of words. but the long and short of this issue in particular is that the press covers community organizing as if they are ignorant of how it works because they are, in fact, ignorant of how it works. and those who aren't are chosen to report by those who are, and they will value both sides-ism over thoughtful engagement because that is what privileged political journalists, in their grotesque ignorance, are wont to do.
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Postby delgriffith » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:51 pm

Great posts, lrc & lb.
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Postby Marx & Engels » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:02 pm

Also, journalists are really self-centered/self-important, so they’re genuinely unable to fathom why their presence in a room of marginalized people might be detrimental. “But we’re the good guys!”
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Postby light rail coyote » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:02 pm

thanks for that post, lasorblast. agreed on all of it
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Postby palmer eldritch » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:06 pm

good post, me, right now
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Postby Julius Sumner Miller » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:20 pm

laserblast wrote:good points lrc.

to build on them a bit: you will recall that one of the right's favorite sneering attacks against obama ca. 2007/2008 was "community organizer." that specific attack (like all the other specific attacks against him) had barely disguised racial connotations, but it's worth asking: why did that work?


I hate to pick a minor detail of an otherwise excellent and interesting post, but the bolded section above hits on one of my major pet peeves. Namely, that leftists/liberals/progressives/whatever have become so poisoned by the right wing propaganda machine that we assume that the masses agree with them and not us.

I see this all the time on this board and elsewhere, I've seen it for the 20+ years I've followed politics, and drives me fucking nuts.

By no objective measure did the right's "community organizer" attacks on Obama "work." It might have worked on the 20% of Fox News/Rush Limbaugh dead-enders, but they are not representative of the American people.

Again, this was a terrific post but I couldn't let this slide.
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Postby light rail coyote » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:32 pm

I broadly agree what what you're saying, but I do think it worked in the sense that it became the dominant media framing even outside of right wing circles, to such a degree that even among supporters Obama was seen as more of an outsider than he actually was.

I agree that the effects were probably limited in the general public but media framing does matter
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Postby surly » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:32 pm

I'd just like to add that (i dont think this has been mentioned but i cant be bothered to read laserblast posts) for some of this, the old "soft bigotry of low expectations" thing is a factor. As much as congressional reporters are typically both sodes dweebs, a majority are also at least centrist, if not left of center personally. As such, they expect non transparent lock out the press bullshit from each and every republican, but not from dem politicians, particularly ones that, for instance, dont do big private fundraisers. So on top of everything else, theres a reflexive and thinly veiled "hey youre supposed to be the good guys!" as well

Think how much criticism obama (rightly) got for not improving WH transparency as much as he said he would, compared with the usually muted complaints whenever a republican locks reporters out or refuses to release the bill text of their latest health care abomination, etc
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Postby Hal Jordan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:10 pm

Surly that sounds pretty unfair tho
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Postby laserblast » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:34 pm

I agree, he should read my posts.
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Postby surly » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:02 pm

Hal Jordan wrote:Surly that sounds pretty unfair tho

It definitely is!
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Postby palmer eldritch » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:29 pm

recent CLF media buys: CA-25 (Knight), CA-39 (open), CA-45 (Walters), CA-48 (Rohrabacher), IL-06 (Roskam), KS-03 (Yoder), ME-02 (Poliquin), NJ-03 (MacArthur), NJ-07 (Lance), NY-19 (Faso), NY-22 (Tenney), WI-01 (open)
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Postby palmer eldritch » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:32 pm

their material is so boring. (Democrat) IS A PELOSI LIBERAL
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Postby palmer eldritch » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:33 pm

this one is great

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Postby delgriffith » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:37 pm

lol that rocks. Faso should drop a mixtape if he's serious.
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Postby delgriffith » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:37 pm

Delgado's gonna win.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:38 pm

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Postby Feech La Manna » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:44 pm

I dunno about the scare quotes in “dead” presidents, those guys are definitely dead
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