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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:55 pm

zamboni wrote:made the mistake of googling btk to jog my memory and its gotta be the darkest serial killer ever

i hadnt seen his photos of himself in bondage with blank masks before, which i wont share here


ah was wondering if this was a real thing or not

he doesn't get caught til the 2000s though so wondering where they're going with that
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Postby zamboni » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:57 pm

i was pretty obsessed with it at the time but there's a ton more information now, i tapped out before his trial was even over it was just too much for me

and i generally read voraciously about horrendous shit
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Postby Tom Cruise » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:50 pm

Dahmer/Bundy/Gacy are more disturbing than Rader imo
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:50 am

I didn’t care much for ep 1 but I liked ep 2 a lot and it continued to grow on me and now after the climax of ep 4 was finding out that they received a couple of federal grants I think I love this show
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:51 am

It’s kind of weird that 3 and 4 felt more Fincher-y than 1 and 2
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Postby mites » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:51 am

I like this
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Postby mites » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:58 am

need wendy's take tho
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Postby mites » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:57 am

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Postby Feech La Manna » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:58 am

Groff definitely looks like a prettier Howerton
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Postby Esteban » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:36 am

Messenger wrote:the main cop sucks, but i kind of like his partner i guess.

with the main guy, i feel they were trying to recapture a lot of the qualities that made jake gyllenhaal's character work well, but they kind of missed the mark. in zodiac, the gyllenhaal character was obsessive in this sort of young, earnest way that made him more interesting than your typical brooding investigator type of character. i feel like this mindhunter detective guy is supposed to function similarly, but it just falls flat instead. the dude just has no personality whatsoever and is not very interesting to watch. the best stuff about the show is everything about him: the killers, his partner, the academic consultant, etc


Came in to say most of this. Holden really is the worst protag
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Postby giant_turtle » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:43 pm

After finishing the season I really don't think you're supposed to like him. He's a reckelss gender-swapped ingenue who believes himself a genius on a righteous mission. He's just awkward, frustrated, white male hubris personified.

I mean he is also actually something of a genius so that sort of makes his slobbering over a book deal all the more cringe-inducing. We expect the True Ass Detective archetype to be noble and selfless, and Holden is definitely not that.
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Postby fox » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:19 pm

the writing on this was creaky -- too freudian and too pat (THE MAN WHO DIVINES THE MOTIVES OF OTHERS CANNOT ARTICULATE HIS OWN) -- and I thought that, consequently, some parts like the series openerToggle Spoiler and the hospital confrontationToggle Spoiler felt overly staged. mamma mia, the acting in this was phenomenal, though.
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Postby aoife » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:40 pm

Stakeout mentioned it once to me, then again, on a Thursday night. On that Sunday morning, I watched the last episode. I need a new season now.

I am getting the book, just reading Douglas talk about several cases at once relating to a specific case blows my mind.

There are cases that may disturb us more than Rader, but he was at it for so long, then had his supposed quiet period before he was caught. Just showing glimpses of his case could go on for seasons, that's probably the reason they chose him.
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Postby ihateoutdoors » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:03 pm

pana wrote:first episode was boring and badly written, the worst thing Fincher has ever directed. the second one was better because of Ed KemperToggle Spoiler and the actor playing him, so i'll keep watching


that guy fuckin' ruled
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Postby loaf angel » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:04 am

the writing was really really obvious and so distractingly bad. this show exists in such a better , weirder form in Hannibal
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:07 am

Final episode cemented Groff = Dennis Reynolds for me

When he walked out of the hearing I was cackling
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Postby Tom Cruise » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:09 am

I AM UNTETHERED AND MY RAGE KNOWS NO BOUNDS
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:11 am

Also in retrospect the dude cartoonishly exploding his own head with a shotgun in the first five minutes is one of the weirdest tonal non sequiturs I've ever seen
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Postby fox » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:14 am

Feech La Manna wrote:Also in retrospect the dude cartoonishly exploding his own head with a shotgun in the first five minutes is one of the weirdest tonal non sequiturs I've ever seen


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Postby fester » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:17 am

i wanted to like this but i had to stop making mental excuses for it. it is not good.
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Postby loaf angel » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:37 am

Feech La Manna wrote:Also in retrospect the dude cartoonishly exploding his own head with a shotgun in the first five minutes is one of the weirdest tonal non sequiturs I've ever seen


yea I actually was reminded of The Negrotiater with Sam Jackson and everyone's favorite Kevin Spacey
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Postby cider » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:53 am

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Postby Pashmina » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:23 am

my wife had me skip the pilot but i enjoyed all of this basically
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Postby Goon Bloodgood » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:08 pm

loved this
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Postby hoopdog » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:30 pm

Gf and I ran thru all of this in three days and yeah I have to agree I fuckin hate the main dude and his gf, the partner is alright, the professor wears a variation of the same patterned shirt in every scene which was really distracting once we noticed it

For the most part all of the killers are super interesting, Kemper above all. Curious where they go with Rader

I like when they get into the interrogation and interview scenes, the writing is strongest there.

Are all the cases here based on true stories? I know all the killers are but what about the principal and the Georgia/Pennsylvania cases?

This show is basically Criminal Minds rendered as a period piece so it feels More Serious but I liked that dumb show so I like this too
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Postby grammatron » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:32 pm

I finished this up today. I really enjoyed it, didn't mind Holden, really liked Bill Tench. It's interesting how there's not really an overall story beyond "dude and his team trying to build a psychological profile for serial killers." It's episodic with the various crimes they help out with, but during the finale I kept wondering what they were going to wrap up. There wasn't really a story to close.

Obv that's totally fine, especially if we're getting multiple seasons. I just hope it doesn't take 2 years for season 2 to get out.
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Postby grammatron » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:35 pm

Also I wish Dr. Carr had been played by Molly Parker.
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Postby incoherent grunting » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:22 am

is this show just musters of sex but with crime?
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Postby Beaver King » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:37 pm

doesn't quite hit the same highs as "The Mentalist" but it was enjoyable
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Postby spix et chicho » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:38 pm

could never shake the feeling that this show felt like it was a fake show within another show
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