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Postby aoife » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:52 pm

hoopdog wrote: Curious where they go with Rader

I feel like they're just going to keep doing the same thing with Rader every season, because his crimes spanned over decades.
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Postby speakers » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:11 am

dragons69 wrote:h a t e d this. worst manic pixie dream girl shit omg. plus plot of anime for middle schoolers. god i cant believe just how fuckin bad the gf was written just fuckin grossssssssss.


could you talk more about this?
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Postby Repo » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:52 pm

incoherent grunting wrote:is this show just musters of sex but with crime?


this was also my impression
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Postby OKterrific » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:56 pm

this has probably been covered but Holden is basically a cross between Zuckerberg and Graysmith
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Postby inmate » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:44 pm

i'm on ep 8 and just read the thread and i'm glad to see i'm not the only one who thinks the main dude is boring and groff is miscast. otherwise i've really enjoyed it besides the first episode.
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Postby hoopdog » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:00 pm

aoife wrote:
hoopdog wrote: Curious where they go with Rader

I feel like they're just going to keep doing the same thing with Rader every season, because his crimes spanned over decades.


Yeah this is probably right. It kinda shows the evolution of a serial killer outside the lens of the FBI/main characters, and I'm guessing at some point the two plots will intersect, which could be interesting to see from both sides

Was the Sacramento case related to the Original Night Stalker? I don't think they actually arrested a suspect in that episode but I may be misrememberingToggle Spoiler
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Postby ratbags » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:56 pm

they arrested that kid
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Postby john plainman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:06 pm

it would be sick if they could get Kurtwood Smith to play Rader
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Postby aoife » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:34 am

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Was the Sacramento case related to the Original Night Stalker? I don't think they actually arrested a suspect in that episode but I may be misrememberingToggle Spoiler

I think they're trying to lump Original Night Stalker in w/ Ramirez, because Tench dismisses him as not being black or Latino. Not my theory,but hmmmmToggle Spoiler
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Postby galactagogue » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:36 pm

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with the main guy, i feel they were trying to recapture a lot of the qualities that made jake gyllenhaal's character work well, but they kind of missed the mark. in zodiac, the gyllenhaal character was obsessive in this sort of young, earnest way that made him more interesting than your typical brooding investigator type of character. i feel like this mindhunter detective guy is supposed to function similarly, but it just falls flat instead. the dude just has no personality whatsoever and is not very interesting to watch. the best stuff about the show is everything about him: the killers, his partner, the academic consultant, etc


Came in to say most of this. Holden really is the worst protag


yeah i also have issues w Holden. He was tolerable in the beginning, my complaints seemed easily countered w plot-progression arguments. But the way he starts to shift by the end, idk if I buy it. BUT, im still sold on how it's shot/directed more or less. I think maybe Fincher doesn't do so well with the serialized format though, if I try at all to compare this to Zodiac.
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Postby Esteban » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Yeah speaking of Fincher not doing well with the format, was it me or did a lot of the early eps end really abruptly on strange notes? Like he just used run time or page #s to know when to end an ep.
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Postby ratbags » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:11 pm

The FBI agent Holden is based on is exactly like the Holden character if you've ever read his books
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Postby ratbags » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:11 pm

So I don't think they were trying to make him like the Graysmith
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Postby galactagogue » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:16 pm

haven’t read the book it’s based on but my interest is piqued
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Postby RIXX » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:18 pm

I'm in the middle of the first episode. Will I miss anything important if I continue to fast forward thru scenes of Holden's personal life outside work? Can't handle it
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Postby Milk » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:45 pm

i binged this show a couple of days ago. Wasn't convinced at first but got into it. Still i feel it's a bit of a... it feels a bit prurient i guess? Like the main interest is to listen to these psychos talk about the horrible shit they did. To be fair it's no different than all those true crime shows i used to watch all the time when i still had cable. I'm just saying there's not that much going on outside of this.
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Postby galactagogue » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:32 am

nonchalant the dialogue w the gf is supposed to inform some stuff so yea probably not that easy to skip


and if the point of the narrative is to make a psychological profile, they sorta need to listen killers recount their own stories? i dont think there’s any way around that
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Postby fury » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:12 pm

i really liked this, even if parts were dumb. the way that in the light is weaved into the last episode is great.Toggle Spoiler
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Postby Hal Jordan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:33 pm

The gf shapes holden so cant skip it really
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Postby spix et chicho » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:20 pm

Hope they find that mind that they been looking for
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Postby saranclaps » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:33 am

Watching episode one. Holy fuck is the writing bad and the direction boring.
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Postby Reliable Tradesman » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:00 am

I watched most of this series with a highly skilled, actively working stage actor, and they described Jonathan Groff's (Holden) performance as 'incredible'.

Having no ability to critique the craft myself, I just bought into their assessment and it helped me a lot in giving his and the ensemble's performance my full attention. However, had they been shitting on his performance I'm sure it would be right here joining in. I can't think for myself.
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Postby Grey Poupon » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:15 am

I'd like to hear more on your actor friend's take RT. I was talking to someone and they had a similar view but I can't remember their damn points supporting it.
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Postby Reliable Tradesman » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:08 am

How he was essentially at odds with the genre, against the norm of the character a cop drama/thriller demands.

As in, ambitious and at times feminine, which was unsettling against the standard hyper masculine character that's ordinarily to lead this type of story. I mean this guy is best known for his role in Looking & Frozen, so it's more of a casting thing, but he still pulled it off.
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Postby Merciel » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:37 am

I didn't like this show very much.
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Postby Repo » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:50 am

Reliable Tradesman wrote:How he was essentially at odds with the genre, against the norm of the character a cop drama/thriller demands.

As in, ambitious and at times feminine, which was unsettling against the standard hyper masculine character that's ordinarily to lead this type of story. I mean this guy is best known for his role in Looking & Frozen, so it's more of a casting thing, but he still pulled it off.


I thought his acting was really good
got the impression that he was trying to play the part as he was a potential psychopath, maybe? although that could be just fincher doing his job
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Postby Grey Poupon » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:09 am

I'm really getting into this show, just watched the Kemper introdcution ep followed by youtube interviews with the real Kemper

the people who said I should stick with it, they were right!

also the talk in this youtube commentary about 4 min in (I usually don't get into but this one isn't bad) about how the character Holden fakes empathy against his own natural aspie-ish/INTP character made it click better for me too

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