Soccer 2017–18: Frailty, thy name is Manchester United

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Postby John Dark » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:04 pm

fraew I have to root against you on account of my favorite Peruvian chicken joint. Sorry. I hope you understand.
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:18 am

did bruce arena get fired yet?
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:18 am

also tuchel to coach the usmnt would be outrageous
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:19 am

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Postby mites » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:20 am

I hope KALM w still watch the WC w me
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:29 am

ill be pulling for iceland again mites, who you and KALM got now
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Postby mites » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:35 am

I root for like 75% of the teams at least once
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:45 am

thats cool, i will sure enjoy watching russia falling flat on their asses on home turf and lose all their group stage games.
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Postby mites » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:58 am

yea I usually don't root for like:
- the last wc winners unless I rly love a player of theirs (however I do root for them to be entertaining)
- brazil (unless, again, they're being insanely entertaining)
- I only really actively root for previous world cup winners against other previous world cup winners with the exception of england who I always root to get to like the quarterfinals so they can lose in the most tragic and hilarious way possible

I almost always root for:
- former colonies vs imperial powers
- former colonies in general
- smaller countries

I'm a underdog puritan loser but who also loves lol-ing and entertainment which I guess means I'm not puritan at all
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Postby mites » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:59 am

oh yeah saudi arabia and russia can bite me though not that I wish their players any ill will or anything just their FAs
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Postby mites » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:00 am

really applying any kind of political morality to this is kind of foolish to a degree because the complicity of the players/orgs themselves is pretty hard to determine in many cases so I just try not to be an asshole and use those initial guidelines by and large with huge exceptions made for entertainment and the players I like best
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Postby mites » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:01 am

for example france in '06 really confounded my developing rooting system but I fell in with them because I already really loved zidane and he was so fucking good in the knockout rounds
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Postby mites » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:01 am

fuck I'm pumped for the WC even though the US isn't in it :(
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Postby Hoxha » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:15 am

dimetrodons 'r' us wrote:
Hoxha wrote:The World Cup is just kind of lame because it takes two years and a bazillion games to qualify for three guaranteed group stage games, at least two of which are bound to suck, and if you lose the first game you're likely to be out.
For the overwhelming majority of teams (let's say anyone who doesn't make it to QFs) it's just unremarkable, unless you're a middling team and you manage to squeeze a draw against Italy or something.

It sure doesn't seem like it's "unremarkable" to people in Egypt or Panama or Iceland these past few days and I highly doubt they'll feel differently come next summer no matter what the results end up being.

Panama, Egypt, and Iceland are the kind of middling teams that I specifically said the WC isn't unremarkable for. Glad we agree.
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:59 am

mites wrote:really applying any kind of political morality to this is kind of foolish to a degree because the complicity of the players/orgs themselves is pretty hard to determine in many cases so I just try not to be an asshole and use those initial guidelines by and large with huge exceptions made for entertainment and the players I like best


i agree but the russian fa are notorious scum and their players are arrogant douches, not to mention the fact the world cup even being in russia is down to extremely suspicious and corrupt factors.

i still remember this article, the russian players did this after they lost at the euros last year https://deadspin.com/russian-players-punished-for-allegedly-spending-250k-o-1783146933
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Postby R C » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:29 am

I will always root for the USMNT but once they get knocked out I cheer Germany. Their 06 team was amazing (Neuville, Ballack, Lahm, Schweini, Podolski, Klose, Jansen, Friedrich) loved all those guys. This WC, Iceland will be my “US” team and I’ll cheer for Germany once they are eliminated.
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Postby Guy Incognito » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:52 am

mites wrote:
I almost always root for:
- former colonies vs imperial powers
- former colonies in general
- smaller countries


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Postby number none » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:16 am

Select your own combined Liverpool Utd team!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41547303

Coutinho makes it...just

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Postby number none » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:18 am

lol Lingard there is supposed to be Pogba
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:33 am

martial over salah? a bit biased there number none,

also a controversial decision, id pick can over matic, but otherwise yea straight back 5 of united cleans house against livpools sorry sham of a defense
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Postby number none » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:36 am

I don't have the stats to hand but I'd be very surprised if Martial isn't the most effective player (on goals/assists per minutes played basis) in the league this season

picking Can over Matic is literally insane
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:41 am

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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:44 am

martial was absolutely garbage all last season, hes 3 goals and 2 assists in 6 apps so far this season with a rating of 7.08

salah has 6 apps 4 goals and 1 assist, rating of 7.15 from whoscored so yea id chose him over martial
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Postby iambic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:45 am

subs do better than starters on average in the minutes afforded, presumably because they're fresh against tired players, but Martial destroys Salah, yeah. his sot/conversion are inflated, but in general he just gets the ball more, retains it better, takes it past other players more effectively, and has more overall goal threat. he creates chances almost four times as often.

salah does some stuff on the defensive end that martial doesn't, though, but it's hard to isolate that from the differing roles they're in
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Postby iambic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:48 am

can/matic is hard to gauge because the former is much more of an all-action guy, but matic is, again, just way more responsible with possession—and better at getting it back.
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Postby gallits » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:48 am

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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:49 am

squaka chances created stats for prem 2017,

martial 7 chances created 3 goals 2 assists

salah 8 chances created 4 goals 1 assists

there both pretty damn good, plus you defense outta salah
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Postby iambic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:49 am

disclaimer that these are tiny sample sizes and strength of schedule is a thing; liverpool's has been much harder
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Postby iambic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:50 am

lockheed's old roommate wrote:squaka chances created stats for prem 2017,

martial 7 chances created 3 goals 2 assists

salah 8 chances created 4 goals 1 assists

there both pretty damn good, plus you defense outta salah

lol counting stats
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Postby lockheed's old roommate » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:50 am

gallits wrote:

a reliable source

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3222396/manchester-united-ready-to-battle-liverpool-for-emre-cans-signature

epsnfc, the metro, indepedent, guardian football all reported on it, take your pick on reliable sources
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