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Postby internethandle » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:35 am

yeah sound only as object is what got me into meditation

i also sometimes pay attention to my in breath only, and then on the out breath listen to the environment. really fun!
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Postby tarantula » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:08 am

bear wrote:but also I started meditating because I wanted to learn to pay attention more intently and this seemed like a way to practice doing that and is that really so bad?


what? that's the only reason you should do it
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Postby bear » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:52 am

oh, okay. it's just that wolfie said to not have any goals, and I wasn't sure exactly what type of goals he was talking about.

I love the sound meditation, i think it's something i've been doing for a long time.

when i was in rehab and had a lot of free time, sometimes i did a sort of visual meditation where I would just sit in my room and try to notice everything in my visual plane and how those things look. noticing things I had never noticed before. paying attention to the way that curtain folds. how the light changes colors. reflections I never saw before.
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Postby Dinosauria We » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:24 am

have been holding myself more accountable to meditation of late. i had a great stretch when i was doing it daily but then it sort of fell away and i developed a mental block where i couldn't get back in the swing of things.

while i would love to meditate every day, the fact is there are some days when i can't bring myself to do it. this feeling gets me down. i sort of feel like discipline and accountability go against the practice as a whole, so i try to not be rulery and do it when the mood is right. of course, i need to do it everyday because it makes me feel better. that is all to say my relationship with meditation is, at times, a difficult one.
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Postby Kwisatz Haderach » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:40 am

wildarms wrote:someone called him “mr. rogers for adults”

strangely enough i think adults need a mr rogers more than kids
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Postby internethandle » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:25 am

Dinosauria We wrote:have been holding myself more accountable to meditation of late. i had a great stretch when i was doing it daily but then it sort of fell away and i developed a mental block where i couldn't get back in the swing of things.

while i would love to meditate every day, the fact is there are some days when i can't bring myself to do it. this feeling gets me down. i sort of feel like discipline and accountability go against the practice as a whole, so i try to not be rulery and do it when the mood is right. of course, i need to do it everyday because it makes me feel better. that is all to say my relationship with meditation is, at times, a difficult one.


jack kornfield talks about this sort of thing being really common in this interview (and in the associated book), which may be helpful - i quoted a pertinent part:

https://www.lionsroar.com/be-free-now-an-interview-with-jack-kornfield/

Have Buddhists in the West perhaps misinterpreted the teachings in ways that reinforce their tendencies toward depression, stress, or self-criticism?

We see that commonly. Ambition, self-criticism, shame, self-judgment, and so forth are rife in our culture. For many people, that shows up in their spiritual practice, which becomes either a grim duty or a way to try to improve themselves. They become uptight or rigid in their practice.

The point of these practices is not to perfect ourselves. We’ve all been going to the gym, changing our diet, going to therapy, doing different kinds of meditation, and so forth. These help us some, but we’re still sort of the same weird person as when we started, with the same personality.

The aim of dharma practice is to experience a sense of freedom and joy where we are. Now, this doesn’t mean there are no hard times in practice or in life. There are inevitably hard times in which we face our deepest fears and confusions, our pain and demons. We have to tend and heal the traumas and sorrows that human life brings us with compassion. But this is not a grim duty. It’s a step-by-step journey of freedom and liberation.


so, basically you can try counteracting that drivenness with self-compassion or lovingkindness practice (keeping in mind being self-compassionate can be as simple as letting yourself not meditate that day when you don't feel like it)
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Postby Dinosauria We » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:44 pm

internethandle wrote:
Dinosauria We wrote:have been holding myself more accountable to meditation of late. i had a great stretch when i was doing it daily but then it sort of fell away and i developed a mental block where i couldn't get back in the swing of things.

while i would love to meditate every day, the fact is there are some days when i can't bring myself to do it. this feeling gets me down. i sort of feel like discipline and accountability go against the practice as a whole, so i try to not be rulery and do it when the mood is right. of course, i need to do it everyday because it makes me feel better. that is all to say my relationship with meditation is, at times, a difficult one.


jack kornfield talks about this sort of thing being really common in this interview (and in the associated book), which may be helpful - i quoted a pertinent part:

https://www.lionsroar.com/be-free-now-an-interview-with-jack-kornfield/

Have Buddhists in the West perhaps misinterpreted the teachings in ways that reinforce their tendencies toward depression, stress, or self-criticism?

We see that commonly. Ambition, self-criticism, shame, self-judgment, and so forth are rife in our culture. For many people, that shows up in their spiritual practice, which becomes either a grim duty or a way to try to improve themselves. They become uptight or rigid in their practice.

The point of these practices is not to perfect ourselves. We’ve all been going to the gym, changing our diet, going to therapy, doing different kinds of meditation, and so forth. These help us some, but we’re still sort of the same weird person as when we started, with the same personality.

The aim of dharma practice is to experience a sense of freedom and joy where we are. Now, this doesn’t mean there are no hard times in practice or in life. There are inevitably hard times in which we face our deepest fears and confusions, our pain and demons. We have to tend and heal the traumas and sorrows that human life brings us with compassion. But this is not a grim duty. It’s a step-by-step journey of freedom and liberation.


so, basically you can try counteracting that drivenness with self-compassion or lovingkindness practice (keeping in mind being self-compassionate can be as simple as letting yourself not meditate that day when you don't feel like it)


wow, this is really great and extremely on point in my case. i felt sort of alone on this issue because i haven't been able to find much on it, so this helps my processing of it a ton. thanks for sharing it.
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Postby wolfie » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:24 pm

A big problem is we end up discovering this stuff because of Serious Stuff, and we assume that Serious Stuff needs a Serious Solution.

Turns out it’s more like it wasn’t so serious to begin with and the solution isn’t seriousness or lightheartedness, it’s just to stop with all this bullshit and look at what’s in front of your face. And what’s in front of your face isn’t really serious, it’s more awesome and fun simply by the nature of its being, so go with it.

One thing Watts got into my head was the realization that everything is a game. Everything. So when I get fucked up on some issue I’m like “what game is this? Whose game is this? How’s it work? Do I wanna play?” And so on. And you start to see your problems as pieces of a particular game, and then you can react as you would when playing a game - that is with the realization that it IS a game, and you can choose to play it and not be owned by it. You can play and lose and so what.
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Postby bear » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:27 pm

this could be relevant but I haven't read it:
Finite and Infinite Games
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004W3FM4A/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
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Postby wolfie » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:32 pm

Cool that looks fun. Added it to my wish list
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