jewels wrote:If someone was to ask me why he is bad I don’t think I could give a good response.
Peterson is an intellectual troll and, as Whitney Phillips’ definitive study of trolls concludes, that means he has a keen sense of how to inject ideas that “replicate behaviors and attitudes that in other contexts are actively celebrated.” By manipulating context and knowing when and where to break with decorum, he can create controversy by saying things that most powerful people already agree are true.It is this ability to rearticulate hegemony while appearing as though you are speaking truth to power that generates the attention that social media algorithms are keen to pick up on.
Sobieski wrote:Why doesn't he think of the Peterson stuff as intellectual? Maybe it's the aspirational self help framing of it
I think it's kind of easy to forget that a lot of times people want media that affirms and entertains them. Especially when they mostly look at it as a diversion and just want to watch a comedy or something.
Maybe give him some stuff that first turned you on to like art in a wider sense. I feel like Peterson reaches a lot of people that have never really engaged with the humanities before, and then he tells them about meaning in a very circumscribed way. Maybe tug harder on that thread of 'meaning' and existentialism and stuff
Marlon Rando wrote:I have said to some of these people something like "it's easy to believe that cleaning your room will make you a better person, it's easy to believe you're the victim of an unjust world, but it's a lot harder to take stock and admit that a lot of what you believe is wrong -- a lot of the best people have messy rooms"
I have gotten a good reaction to that, like at least a pause
I have not gotten a good reaction when I mention misogyny or politics or his academic reputation or jungian psychology, etc. they're primed for that.
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steakspoon wrote:sorry if sounds corny fellas but i'll always remember where i was when i heard my first big star song..the internet.
no, this is a really good post. thank-you for it. i've been wondering similar things.deadbass wrote:The other day, I happened to look at my former thesis supervisor's website and found that he's been keeping a blog. Most of the entries are about free speech on campus and he's been posting a bunch of stuff by Peterson and Haidt. It's so disappointing. This is a Joycean scholar who focuses on Derrida and I would think that Peterson's corruption of the word "postmodernism" would be instantly disqualifying for him. But then I started thinking about my supervisor's personal biography and I think I can see why he and a lot of people in academia would be drawn to him.
My former prof has been a sessional lecturer for 14 years at a pretty highly rated Canadian university, published several books, and still hasn't gotten tenure. Back when he supervised me, I remember him complaining that universities aren't promoting "traditional" academics like himself, but rather critical theorists. It was before this debate had really gotten started, and I thought he was super smart, so I remember nodding along and not thinking about it very much. At this point though, he's obviously developed quite a bit of resentment towards "identity politics" on campus and seems to harbour a grudge against this "strain of academic thinking" that he feels has cost him the success that he is due. I realized that his background is pretty similar to Peterson's (although JBP was more successful before he became famous).
I've been entertaining sending him an email about it, but I have a feeling he would tell me that he doesn't subscribe to all of what Peterson says (he definitely is (or was) an inclusive Prof, probably considers himself a capital L liberal), and then overwhelm me with a bunch of studies or whatever that back up what he says. This is all straw man of course, I don't think I'll likely interact with him ever again, but it got me thinking about what academics are thinking about all of this, and what it means to be interested in Peterson in an a la carte sort of way.
It's interesting because this prof is a pretty integral part of my own story (I felt like a total burnout in university, but he took me under his wing, got me into English Honours and made me feel like I had some sense of purpose), and all that time we had many many discussions and definitely talked politics and the politics of universities and I still didn't really see this coming. Those times (2005-2010) seem oddly pre-political, because the intense debate about trigger warnings and PC culture and whatnot were still in their infancy. He's not the first person in my orbit to have his standing in my mind altered by his admiration of Peterson, but it just makes me sad.
Sorry for this livejournal of a pointless post but I just had a swirl of thoughts after reading his blog and wanted to share.
steakspoon wrote:sorry if sounds corny fellas but i'll always remember where i was when i heard my first big star song..the internet.
steakspoon wrote:sorry if sounds corny fellas but i'll always remember where i was when i heard my first big star song..the internet.
steakspoon wrote:sorry if sounds corny fellas but i'll always remember where i was when i heard my first big star song..the internet.
steakspoon wrote:sorry if sounds corny fellas but i'll always remember where i was when i heard my first big star song..the internet.
Be advised, if you can't talk to each other like adults then you'll be put in the corner like a child. This is directed to the very vocal minority in this thread.
alaska wrote:i for one am not excited for the new jordan peterson shit
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