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Postby DasLofGang » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:01 pm

sometimes i imagine what it would be like to like myself even half as much as your garden variety nazi (establishment or internet, take your pick) likes himself, and a single tear rolls down my cheek
This isn't really anything I think I like.
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Postby Bad craziness » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:08 pm

DasLofGang wrote:sometimes i imagine what it would be like to like myself even half as much as your garden variety nazi (establishment or internet, take your pick) likes himself, and a single tear rolls down my cheek


I would think that embracing white supremacy means you can't find anything worthwhile about yourself besides the fact that you're white

so nazis might be even more horrendously depressed and their nazi zeal is their last toehold on meaning/purpose

confidence /= self-worth
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Postby fox » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:15 pm

Exiting social media seems like a great step.
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Postby waldojeffers1 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:34 pm

I’m gonna quit Facebook maybe but without twitter I would do literally nothing at work
oh no someone save us
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Postby baka baka » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm

Practice empathy.
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Postby Grendel » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:11 pm

Prozac prescription. Maybe Electroconvulsive therapy.
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Postby antoine » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:18 pm

waldojeffers1 wrote:I’m gonna quit Facebook maybe but without twitter I would do literally nothing at work

I like your fb posts
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take a minute a think about the posts that were made by antoine
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Postby Dead_Wizard » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:31 pm

waldojeffers1 wrote:I’m gonna quit Facebook maybe but without twitter I would do literally nothing at work


it's all about reading books at your desk like some kinda bored person in the 40s
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Postby Warranty » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:32 pm

Bartatua wrote:
Warranty wrote:
Social media and online platforms are intentionally designed by for-profit corporate monopolies to make users feel overwhelmed, isolated, anxious, and skeptical of others..


pms are busted but do you have any links or sources that address this specific point?


Definitely, it's less one specific thing the companies are doing and more an overall big picture view of where social media and tech are heading. For a while I knew Google, Facebook, and all the rest sucked but still thought criticism of social media tended to be over the top and vaguely stupid or that the tech platforms were somewhat neutral. But increasingly I look at all the stuff they're doing and think, 'How would I react if Exxon Mobil had this much information and power?'. Because these companies are corporate monopolies like Exxon and will operate the same as any other corporate monopoly would. I definitely think social media still has positive uses and can be used to bolster positive relationships with people, but I've got to strictly limit how and when I use it. And long-term social media platforms that are controlled by users, maybe in a way similar to Wikipedia, need to replace these platforms owned by corporate monopolies. Same with lots of other apps like Uber

In terms of books, I found a ton of great information in 'The Attention Merchants' by Tim Wu, 'Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus' by Douglas Rushkoff, and 'The Four: The Hidden DNA of Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google' by Scott Galloway. In terms of some articles I've read:

It's paywalled, but this is a fantastic essay covering most of the negative aspects of social media (if you enter your e-mail I think you can read one locked article for free so it may still be readable without a subscription): https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanchester/you-are-the-product

Studies have shown people feel lonlier and more envious after using Facebook (actively using Facebook to talk with a friend or respond to a specific post increased happiness, passively scrolling through Facebook/regularly checking it and long-term use seemed to reduce happiness): https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/how-facebook-makes-us-unhappy

Tech companies use operant conditioning to maximize the addictiveness of social media platforms, apps, and smartphones. Some of the psychology research they use was literally done by casinos (one of their biggest tools is variable rewards, so they do things like implement 'swipe to update' mechanisms that randomly provide either lots of updates or no/very few updates whenever you swipe. Same mechanism behind slot machines and skinner boxes): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/05/smartphone-addiction-silicon-valley-dystopia

Facebook manipulates users emotions by having algorithims vary whether users will receive updates that Facebook's sentiment analysis judged to be negative or positive. They combine user metadata (likes, time of day active, data from other companies, etc.) to produce an individual psychological portrait of users. They use that to microtarget ads and do things like push negative posts into a user's timeline in order to make them more anxious or sad if they found it can increase the likelihood of a user clicking through on a microtargeted ad. Given the amount of data Facebook has, for some users it can be as narrow as targeting specific anxieties a user has about their appearance or diet in their timeline: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds

In some cases the algorthims seem to bring up specific issues users have had with their physical or mental health. These ads could be meant to help a user 'solve' their health issues or to produce greater anxiety about their health issue depending on what the algorithim determined to be most profitable: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pg7d59/when-facebook-and-instagram-thinks-youre-depressed

And of course, in the case of all these companies, the algorithims are properitary and only known to a small handful of top-level employees. Probably even the employees themselves don't know what the algorithims are doing. It just does what generates the most clicks and is most profitable and they don't think about the specifics. Which of course also brings into question a lot of larger social questions in terms of surveillance governments or police could do, herding users into self-selecting political bubbles, manipulating content to benefit the company's political interests, destroying the existing journalism business model, allowing advertisers to bypass laws that ban discrimination in advertising, etc:http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/cover_story/2016/01/how_facebook_s_news_feed_algorithm_works.html
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Postby Warranty » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:34 pm

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Postby Dr. Norm Thagard » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:44 pm

Working with kids keeps me going.
Seeing kids get excited about learning is a immeasurable joy. Teaching anyone anything is rewarding.
Enjoying nature.
Giving people gifts.
Also, sleeping at least 10 hours a day. Try to be awake less!
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Postby Pope Laserblast IV » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:50 pm

swing by your neighbors' alleys and hit the vape with them
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Postby Bride of Qualls » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:51 pm

re: Warranty's link (https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanchester/you-are-the-product)
not pay walled for me and i didn't have to give an email address.
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Postby fox » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:56 pm

All of the Internet has pretty much become a race to the bottom.
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Postby furrowed brow » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:07 pm

Where does advertising even fit into the basic neoclassical assumptions about supply and demand? If price-signals are all that are needed for a proper allocation of consumer goods, how is advertising not either completely redundant or a huge distortion?
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Postby fox » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:11 pm

Bride of Qualls wrote:re: Warranty's link (https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanchester/you-are-the-product)
not pay walled for me and i didn't have to give an email address.


I also wish that I could disagree with this article, but I think that the truth is even worse.
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Postby Julius Sumner Miller » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 pm

waldojeffers1 wrote:I’m probably gonna kill myself at some point in 2018


I realize this is may be a joke, but I am literally down the road from you (you're in bethesda, right?) lived in Central Asia, and am highly active in progressive politics. And I am a ray of fucking sunshine.

I am the answer to all of your prayers.
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Postby John Dark » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:30 pm

I started fly fishing specifically as a way to relax and cope with shit like the Trump candidacy/presidency. It works marvelously when I'm out there, but unfortunately I can't be standing in a river every day of the year.
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Now here is the lake. And I still haven't changed.
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Postby Mister E » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:31 pm

How has nobody said bikes yet?

Answer is bikes.
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Postby Mister E » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:31 pm

Also reading Warranty posts.
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Postby Julius Sumner Miller » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:36 pm

Here is my formula:

1.) 15mg/day Lexapro; 1mg/day Klonopin; 7.5 mg/day Remeron; 120mg/day Propranolol

2.) 16 oz/day beer.

3.) Daily or at least weekly political activity -- organizing, advocacy, etc, involving interaction with real people, with concrete goals.

4.) Reading and listening to lots of political material to keep motivated.

5.) 1 hr/day of intense exercise

6.) Not watching tv news at all.

7.) Not interacting with social media, just using it as a way to keep informed and exposed to new ideas.

All of this allows me to be sort of hopeful about the possibilities that may arise from the fact that the world is being burned to the ground, and motivated to make sure that I am helping to shape its rebuilding.

Also, Warranty's post.
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Postby Ankh » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:38 pm

volunteer at a soup kitchen/food pantry. feeling helpful uh helps
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Postby Julius Sumner Miller » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:39 pm

Julius Sumner Miller wrote:Here is my formula:

1.) 15mg/day Lexapro; 1mg/day Klonopin; 7.5 mg/day Remeron; 120mg/day Propranolol

2.) 16 oz/day beer.

3.) Daily or at least weekly political activity -- organizing, advocacy, etc, involving interaction with real people, with concrete goals.

4.) Reading and listening to lots of political material to keep motivated.

5.) 1 hr/day of intense exercise

6.) Not watching tv news at all.

7.) Not interacting with social media, just using it as a way to keep informed and exposed to new ideas.

All of this allows me to be sort of hopeful about the possibilities that may arise from the fact that the world is being burned to the ground, and motivated to make sure that I am helping to shape its rebuilding.

Also, Warranty's post.


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Postby Ankh » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:40 pm

i've also been making things and giving them away as just kinda random gifts
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Postby hansibansix » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:41 pm

I've given up completely... any organizational lvl above 1:1 interaction sucks
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Postby Warranty » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:50 pm

hansibansix wrote:I've given up completely... any organizational lvl above 1:1 interaction sucks


Well one on one meetings are the foundation of organizing, so this just means you'll be the best organizer in your city!
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Postby waldojeffers1 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:10 pm

Hmm
oh no someone save us
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Postby lordofdiapers » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 pm

Crosspost from NBA thread.

lordofdiapers wrote:So yeah, long story short I've been dealing with a family crisis pertaining to my fathers mental health for about a year now. It's had a huge effect on my personal life and my own mental health and I've been trying to find ways to cope.

You all know I'm a huge hoops fan but probably don't know my whole story. I'm a big sports guy but basketball was my first love of sports to play and I played competitively for most of my young life (nickname was Stockton for like a million obvious reasons). As I've gotten older I have less time and people to play with.

I moved out of the city to help my mom take care of my dad and I've been looking for constructive things to do with my free time. My local YMCA is a great gym and I've been going there for years. If you are anything like me, generic individual exercise is a massive bore for me and I usually like to find team sports or games that can stimulate my brain while I work out.

Sick of spending my time on the treadmill, I went across the street to Dicks Sporting Goods and bought a basketball for the first time in like ten years. I've since been going like 4-5 times a week to just shoot around and dribble.

About 3 weeks ago I was at the gym when two guys about my age came in with a day group of people with special needs and mental disabilities. This specific Y (and I think most Ys) has a program where they employ tons of folks with disabilities and are super friendly, welcoming and accommodating to people who need a little bit of help.

I noticed that their ball was flat and I always have a little hand pump in my bag. I went over and offered the pump and kinda went back to my routine of listening to music and taking shots. After about a half hour one of the chaperones came over and asked if I wanted to play 50 with them (gym game kinda like 21) and we ended up playing for like 3 hours. It was incredibly fulfilling and felt great to help put smiles on peoples faces. I ended up bumping into them a few times that week and now it's been 2 weeks where I've officially volunteered with the group to help play/teach them basketball. It has completely changed my life and helped massively with my own depression during this tough time.

I've always wanted to coach sports but thought it would wind up being through my children. I don't know I'm just feeling so good.

Anyway I've really amped up my individual practice and now am playing in a competitive mens league. My game is almost where it used to be which is crazy because I stopped playing almost full stop since college.

I made a dorky little vid the other day on my phone, take a look.




This has been super helpful for me. I'm not going to pretend I went out of my way to do volunteer work, I stumbled into it, but it has helped with my own mental health and disposition a great deal.

This is all started as a fun way to get exercise and work on an old skill (hoops) and a new hobby (videostuff).

So yeah for me even just these few hours a week have made huge strides for me, hopefully it gives some of yall an idea. Work on a skill! Devote some time to helping people, it seems you can find volunteer work falling out of bed if you try!
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Postby Bartatua » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:40 pm

Julius Sumner Miller wrote:
6.) Not watching tv news at all.


Wanted to highlight this because it seems just as important to me as the social media stuff
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Postby Grumby » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:29 pm

morning walk around the local cemetary with a cig and coffee today did the trick. this might be a weekly thing now when my brain needs a re-set.
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