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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 5:39 pm

Cause really, he's a sucky president.
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Postby witchfinder » Mon May 24, 2010 5:41 pm

indeed
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Postby badhat » Mon May 24, 2010 5:41 pm

rank him among the previous 5
gun solve all problems
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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 5:42 pm

badhat wrote:rank him among the previous 5


1. Clinton
2. Reagan
3. Bush
4. Obama
5. GWB
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Postby gold and glass » Mon May 24, 2010 5:43 pm

Pretty bad.
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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 5:45 pm

Maybe he'll turn it around, but probably not.
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Postby fester » Mon May 24, 2010 5:46 pm

Clinton and Reagan were both pretty unpopular at this point in their first terms too.
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Postby mites » Mon May 24, 2010 5:47 pm

sigh
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Postby worrywort » Mon May 24, 2010 5:48 pm

he's fine by me.
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Postby delgriffith » Mon May 24, 2010 5:49 pm

Dude's just making ends meet.
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Postby Spoilt Victorian Child » Mon May 24, 2010 5:49 pm

He's been fine.
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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 5:51 pm

fester wrote:Clinton and Reagan were both pretty unpopular at this point in their first terms too.


Both, however, were mostly doing what they had promised to do, even if feckless due to congressional opposition.

Most of what Obama's done flies in the face of what he purported to stand for. I mean, is this the Obama that was supposed to be the anti-Bush?
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Postby Durham » Mon May 24, 2010 5:51 pm

Worst black president ever
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Postby MikeS » Mon May 24, 2010 5:53 pm

He's gotten the most legislation passed through in a first year and a half since Regan
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Postby beezlebub » Mon May 24, 2010 5:54 pm

It only feels like that due to some GOP slight of hand. When Clinton left office, the books where basically balanced, we as a country where in the black and actually paying on the national debt as opposed to running it up further, and employment and the stock market where both at record highs. Everything was not perfect, as I am sure some people are going to point out, but things had been going pretty good. Then George comes in, fucks shit up so hard and fast in everyway possible that people vote for basically the farthest thing from him available, Obama in hopes for change or whatever. Unfortunately, all the remaining Republicans in the House and Senate responded to this change by basically not letting anything pass by them without them voting it down whether they actually liked the bill or not, all the while loudly complaining about Obama, and his inability to get things done. He inherited a completely fucked country and basically can't do much about it. Though despite being a pretty toxic situation for a president, and really has done some pretty cool shit considering how hard they have been trying to hogtie him. Like at least getting the ball rolling for health care reform. So I guess no, I don't think he has been that bad.
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Postby mites » Mon May 24, 2010 5:55 pm

yea I've been disappointed with his retention and expansion of some executive power stuff, but rebooting the EPA, health care, the stimulus package and our draw out of Iraq have all out weighed that. oh also our change in focus on urban areas, especially drug stuff.
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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 5:56 pm

MikeS wrote:He's gotten the most legislation passed through in a first year and a half since Regan


Well of fucking course.
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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 5:58 pm

Some major things that bother me:

1. His promise of no lobbyists in his administration, which he basically shit out with his morning coffee

2. Reducing the deficit

3. The Guantanamo clusterfuck

4. The U.S. drilling flip-flop

5. The transparency promise
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Postby mites » Mon May 24, 2010 5:58 pm

beezlebub wrote:It only feels like that due to some GOP slight of hand. When Clinton left office, the books where basically balanced, we as a country where in the black and actually paying on the national debt as opposed to running it up further, and employment and the stock market where both at record highs. Everything was not perfect, as I am sure some people are going to point out, but things had been going pretty good. Then George comes in, fucks shit up so hard and fast in everyway possible that people vote for basically the farthest thing from him available, Obama in hopes for change or whatever. Unfortunately, all the remaining Republicans in the House and Senate responded to this change by basically not letting anything pass by them without them voting it down whether they actually liked the bill or not, all the while loudly complaining about Obama, and his inability to get things done. He inherited a completely fucked country and basically can't do much about it. Though despite being a pretty toxic situation for a president, and really has done some pretty cool shit considering how hard they have been trying to hogtie him. Like at least getting the ball rolling for health care reform. So I guess no, I don't think he has been that bad.

yea clinton didn't really have too much to do with those booms in the economy.
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Postby mcwop23 » Mon May 24, 2010 5:58 pm

OKL will be frothing in here pretty soon
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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 5:59 pm

mites wrote:yea clinton didn't really have too much to do with those booms in the economy.


Clinton was a great president regardless of the tech boom.

The tech boom really didn't contribute that much to the economic health of the country anyway.
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Postby mcwop23 » Mon May 24, 2010 6:00 pm

i would like to see where we stand after a full term before we go jumping to conclusions
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Postby universe » Mon May 24, 2010 6:00 pm

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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 6:01 pm

mcwop23 wrote:i would like to see where we stand after a full term before we go jumping to conclusions


Like I said, he could turn it around, but his actions thus far do not bode well.
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Postby mites » Mon May 24, 2010 6:01 pm

Erik Cheer wrote:Some major things that bother me:

1. His promise of no lobbyists in his administration, which he basically shit out with his morning coffee

2. Reducing the deficit

3. The Guantanamo clusterfuck

4. The U.S. drilling flip-flop

5. The transparency promise

if these are your complaints shouldn't you rank it like:

Clinton
Obama


Bush



GWB=Reagan??
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Postby beezlebub » Mon May 24, 2010 6:02 pm

mites wrote:
beezlebub wrote:It only feels like that due to some GOP slight of hand. When Clinton left office, the books where basically balanced, we as a country where in the black and actually paying on the national debt as opposed to running it up further, and employment and the stock market where both at record highs. Everything was not perfect, as I am sure some people are going to point out, but things had been going pretty good. Then George comes in, fucks shit up so hard and fast in everyway possible that people vote for basically the farthest thing from him available, Obama in hopes for change or whatever. Unfortunately, all the remaining Republicans in the House and Senate responded to this change by basically not letting anything pass by them without them voting it down whether they actually liked the bill or not, all the while loudly complaining about Obama, and his inability to get things done. He inherited a completely fucked country and basically can't do much about it. Though despite being a pretty toxic situation for a president, and really has done some pretty cool shit considering how hard they have been trying to hogtie him. Like at least getting the ball rolling for health care reform. So I guess no, I don't think he has been that bad.

yea clinton didn't really have too much to do with those booms in the economy.


As Obama doesn't have much to do with this recession, but being figureheads and all. The point was more that shit was pretty banging when he left compared to when bush left.
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Postby mites » Mon May 24, 2010 6:03 pm

Erik Cheer wrote:
mites wrote:yea clinton didn't really have too much to do with those booms in the economy.


Clinton was a great president regardless of the tech boom.

The tech boom really didn't contribute that much to the economic health of the country anyway.

what made clinton a great president? he inherited a great economic boom and transferred that GDP growth to paying off the deficit but he failed to deliver health care reform and was operating with a opposition legislature
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Postby Real Love » Mon May 24, 2010 6:03 pm

mites wrote:
Erik Cheer wrote:Some major things that bother me:

1. His promise of no lobbyists in his administration, which he basically shit out with his morning coffee

2. Reducing the deficit

3. The Guantanamo clusterfuck

4. The U.S. drilling flip-flop

5. The transparency promise

if these are your complaints shouldn't you rank it like:

Clinton
Obama


Bush



GWB=Reagan??


That doesn't make sense.

There are presidents who I don't agree with who come in with a mission and execute it (or at least make sincere attempts to). They set goals and should be measured by those goals.

Reagan was a grade-A conservative piece of shit, but he accomplished a great deal of what this country wanted in the early 80s, with a few major indiscretions (massive increases in spending and backdoor negotiations for captives).
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Postby Luke » Mon May 24, 2010 6:03 pm

Let's give him a little more time here, to see if all this antichrist stuff pans out.
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Postby universe » Mon May 24, 2010 6:04 pm

mites wrote:what made clinton a great president? he inherited a great economic boom and transferred that GDP growth to paying off the deficit but he failed to deliver health care reform and was operating with a opposition legislature


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