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Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:28 am
by chandler
The bill would allow the voluntary sharing of attack and threat information between the U.S. government and security cleared technology and manufacturing companies to ensure the security of networks against patterns of attack[5] ; the most recent version of the CISPA bill did not remove references to intellectual property.


sounds like a security strategy to me

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:38 am
by black mamba
it's the sharing of information after the fact, in order to identify the entity that carried an attack out, not the obfuscation of information in the hope that no one will have the knowledge to circumvent security

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:52 am
by The Dirty Turtle
first of all, security through obscurity is an entirely different concept and has nothing to do privacy, and has everything to do with trying to hide your security architecture and controls
im sure that wikipedia example talks about encryption because that was always a big discussion item with obscurity, some people saying theyd develop their own algorithm, others testing and trying to break public ones to make them stronger. that debate is basically over because no one can break the public ones and i cant recall ever reading a breach headline that happened as a result of someone breaking encryption...theres other stuff thats way easier
then security through obscurity might also be like "well, im not gonna advertise what AV i have, thatll get em!" except that every sophisticated attacker has every single av program in the world and before using their malware they make sure it gets through everything untouched
i mean its basically a bullshit concept altogether that was the equivalent of folding your hands and praying for the dear lords blessing, because if youre relying on a sophisticated attacker not figuring out stuff like that...well lol youre totally fucked

there is however a difference between that, and carefully considering what you do when you have a small piece of evidence about a significant attack, but need to understand a lot more about how far it reaches, what its end target might be, etc.

and do you want to know why facebook and microsoft are among its supporters...for microsoft its because a HUGE piece of the attack activity on the internet targets vulnerabilities in microsoft operating systems, office, etc. on the second tuesday of every month they do their patches drop and its called fucking "super tuesday" in the security world. its sounds like you might be familiar with some stuff in infosec, and if thats the case, you certainly are familiar with super tuesday. anyway, sometimes microsoft software gets 0dayed (advanced attacker exploits unknown vuln in the wild...there is no security defense for it anywhere), and then microsoft goes into firedrill mode trying to develop a patch and push it out...i guarantee you microsoft wants to be in the loop on this stuff as much as possible so that they can build and push security patches to their software faster

facebook is probably all about this for an entirely different reason, which is that they have an INSANE amount of data about people and as a result i am just about 100% sure that their network is under attack constantly. it could be anything from chinese government spying on people to an APT type threat trying to learn as much as they can about a person before crafting just about the most targeted spear phishing attack you could possibly imagine (ie. i see jim and bob went to vegas last month and met some hot chicks...let me just make the jim gmail account, drop this exploit inside a picture file, send an email to bob and be like, "bob, dude! i found this ridiculous picture of you with that girl from the MGM..remember her?!? man... crazy times brah!" boom, malware.

i would actually contend that this is the complete opposite of security through obscurity, in that they are trying to break down some barriers that make it difficult for .gov and .com to share information about threats on their networks.

this bill is going after people trying to steal missile specs, not the newest release from lady gaga. however, they just need to word it that way.

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:23 pm
by chandler
TDT, I'm a Windows system engineer. I am aware of 0days and deal with them routinely.

I'm not entirely clear why this bill is needed at all, if its goal is 'going after people trying to steal missile specs'

is it legal to gain unauthorized access to networks? does lockeed martin use Comcast cable or Verizon FiOS as its ISP?...do you think lockheed doesn't already share information with its employers when it detects intrusion attempts? do you think the government already very strictly audits its missle(lol) and security vendors? do we need to 'obscure' investigations, ditching all those pesky and difficult to obtain warrants? warrants against whom, exactly...chinese and russian based IP addresses?

answer those questions, then get back to me

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:43 pm
by The Dirty Turtle
i dont even understand the relevance of some of the things that you are asking

no its not legal to gain unauthorized access to networks, i cant randomly go break into whatever i want, which is why people like the fbi get involved
do i think lockheed shares information with its employers when it detects intrusion attempts? um, depends. lockheed probably sees about a billion+ security events on their network every single day and the extent to which they share info, or keep it close likely depends on the nature of the specific threat
do i think government looks closely at the security technology they put on their network, yea...i mean the DoD has various certifications they give different products, and i think mcafee has the only network ips with official DoD certification....however this has nothing to do with the government and private sector sharing signature files and packet captures with one another

as for why we would need to make it easier to share APT intel...because we are getting owned everywhere and constantly and if we dont make it easier to share info and protection were going to continue to get pummeled

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:53 pm
by The Dirty Turtle
people are seeing massive breaches from sql injection, how well do you think companies are doing against government sponsored professionals

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:56 pm
by iambic
It is incredible that the internet works.

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:57 pm
by chandler
there already exist several mechanisms for sharing vulnerabilities and incidents with the government and *gasp* IT folks actually use them!

but who needs the 4th amendment, anyway?

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:00 pm
by Amblin
to be fair he probably also cares a lot about marijuana legalization. so two issues.

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:00 pm
by chandler
Ankh wrote:amazing that you can be a single-issue voter and that issue can be internet privacy


who?

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:04 pm
by chandler
oh, i did?

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:05 pm
by important dentist
clothbound wrote:
So we’ve still got a lot of work to do to rebuild this economy so that it lasts, so that it’s solid, so that it’s firm. But what I want you to know is that the degree you earn from UNC will be the best tool you have to achieve that basic American promise -- the idea that if you work hard, you can do well enough to raise a family and own a home, send your own kids to college, put a little away for retirement. (Applause.) That American Dream is within your reach. (Applause.)

And there’s another part of this dream, which is the idea that each generation is going to know a little bit more opportunity than the last generation. That our kids -- I can tell you now as a parent -- and I guarantee you, your parents feel this about you -- nothing is more important than your kid’s success. You want them to do better than you did. (Applause.) You want them to shoot higher, strive more, and succeed beyond your imagination.

So keeping that promise alive is the defining issue of our time. I don’t want this to be a country where a shrinking number of Americans are doing really, really well, but a growing number of people are just struggling to get by. That’s not my idea of America. (Applause.) I don’t want that future for you. I don’t want that future for my daughters. I want this forever to be a country where everybody gets a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share, and everybody is playing by the same set of rules. (Applause.) That’s the America I know and love. That’s the America within our reach.


Overall, I get what he's selling here and think it's a positive thing. However, a fair shot? Like the lottery? A lot of what he's saying is just off the mark, more like a dog dreaming of chasing rabbits than an American Dream.

how do you feel about the "new deal?" fdr specifically used that name to link it with the idea of another hand of a card game

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:09 pm
by viachicago
snap

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:09 pm
by The Dirty Turtle
so as long as we have vulnerability databases, there is no need to collaborate in real-time on security incidents

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:10 pm
by chandler
abstaining from a vote surely makes me a non-voter, as opposed to a single-issue voter, yes?

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:21 pm
by The Dirty Turtle
eventually the democrats will mandate that we all vote as they piss all over the constitution

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:23 pm
by carlperkins
SERIOUSLY GUYS wrote:abstaining from a vote surely makes me a non-voter, as opposed to a single-issue voter, yes?


I think you're confused as to what it means to be a single issue voter.

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:25 pm
by Mean Princess
Why are you guys so passionate about defending Obama at all costs? It's getting a bit cultish around here.

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:27 pm
by Mr Spaceship
Mean Princess wrote:Why are you guys so passionate about defending Obama at all costs? It's getting a bit cultish around here.


yeah that's why this thread was called "Can We Admit Obama is shitty" for two years.

And compared to what he's up against he's way better. I'm sure you realize this.

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:58 pm
by can
clothbound wrote:
can wrote:i'm not sure what your problem is with that wording

the idea is equal opportunity, no? how would you expect him to phrase it


Equal opportunity doesn't equal prosperity. It just equals a chance, a token for the slot machine. It's a swindle. That's the problem I was trying to point out. O assumes the American Dream is raising a family that you can send through the broken college system, landing in a little less debt, but nevertheless debt that you can eventually climb out of to retire with. Just enough. Meanwhile, his rich friends (Katzenberg!? Corzine!?) are still fucking us over with taxes that go to who knows how many of their covert economic conflicts against the Chinese. I'm just not buying it this time.


so you're mad that he's not addressing these much more complicated issues (that he has consistently addressed elsewhere) in a few sentences of one speech

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:04 pm
by Amblin
it comes and goes. remember taargues??

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:04 pm
by Klint
edited by badhat

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:19 am
by Amblin
Silky, smooth and sexy deets from the new Obama bio

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/06/young-barack-obama-in-love-david-maraniss

Today, for the first time, Barack sat on the edge of the bed—dressed—blue jeans and luscious ladies on his chest [a comfy T-shirt depicting buxom women], the end of the front section of the Sunday Times in his hand, looking out the window, and the quality of light reflected from his eyes, windows of the soul, heart, and mind, was so clear, so unmasked, his eyes narrower than he usually holds them looking out the window, usually too aware of me.

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:20 pm
by Bartatua
did taargues get banned?

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:22 pm
by Bartatua
i do understand being very concerned with internet privacy though

if it gets fucked up there's probably no going back

edit: not very comfortable having this be the top of the page but oh well

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:24 pm
by Amblin
if i remember correctly he volunteered for a ban because it got pretty brutal around here for him. if he had stuck it out i bet he'd be fine by now. poor kid.

http://forums.hipinion.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40773

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:59 am
by Durham
Goddamn it, wtf is this reaction to Biden going all gay on America's ass

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:21 pm
by Amblin
ahem.

do you think we can we address the title of this thread again please?

thx nathan

Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:05 pm
by coop
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Re: Can we admit that Obama has a really big stick?

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:06 pm
by Durham
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