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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:23 pm

forest design wrote:Grabbed the second disc of Infinite Sadness for a longish commute in the car yesterday. I spent so much time with this album back when it came out. I still remember getting it from the store at the mall and sitting on the bench in one of the middle courtyards while I waited to meet back up with my parents. I remember opening the double cd set and pouring over the strange and beautiful booklets and pictures. I spent a lot of time with this thing back in the day. I had a decent familiarity and definitely favorites from the second disc (always loved Bodies and 33 and Stumbline and Thru the Eyes of Ruby and We Only Come Out at Night) but I reached for the first disc far more often. The second disc may be my favorite now, though. It's really beautiful.

I was thinking on this listen just how many damn good songs Billy penned. And how many still hold up, beyond just the nostalgia. Like even Lily (My One and Only) which is pretty much the definition of a deep cut, is a really beautifully and well crafted song. And the guitar work on the end of X.Y.U. is really amazing. But really I couldn't stop marveling at his range. I almost did a spit take of my water after I reached for a sip after singing along to 1979 and a second later Tales of a Scortched Earth just about blew the fuck out of my speakers. Made me crack up that the same dude wrote that blissed out nostalgia fest with a lullaby-esque simple and joyful melody, something your mom might sing along to if it came on the radio and then the very next song is mostly distorted noise and Billy screaming "So fuck it all, cause I don't care..." I could imagine the cd being in the player on a carpool ride to school or something and your friend's mom humming along to 1979 and your friend's older brother who's into metal rolling his eyes and then Tales of a Scortched Earth starts and suddenly he's tapping his foot and drumming on the back of the seat. Like both of them just assuming it was a mix tape and a completely different band.


Whatever else can be said of the dude, there aren't many that have been able to occupy both spaces, both emotional textures with as much dexterity and talent and write such a range of well-crafted excellent songs. There are others, for sure, but not that many.

don't @ me, I know he's also a loon


Well said. But sometimes when he has a chip on his shoulder, good things can happen.

I am :( about Rick Rubin being involved but then again, the less time you have for Billy to tinker with things, maybe the better.

I know I've posted this too many times, but he just tossed out demos like this so easily back in the day. I'd love to listen to an album of quick dreamy songs like this.



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Postby forest design » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:25 pm

Damn what set is that? Is the Adore set 7 discs?!
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Postby FourLegsGood » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:26 pm

More than any other song, Appels + Oranjes/What If suffered the most in its translation from demo to finished product. Could've been a truly fantastic single if Billy hadn't fucked it up.
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Postby forest design » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:30 pm

omg there's a disc with a mono recording of the entire album. I kinda want to hear that. Wonder if it's more than a curiosity piece.
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Postby forest design » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:32 pm

Damn it, someone stop me before I drop $75 on this thing.
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Postby emotional fascism » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:48 pm

the mono mix of adore is all that.

sorry forest design.

Is there one mono track that you feel is clearly different from the stereo mix?

There’s an acoustic song called “The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete”. The mono mix is not only a different mix, but we did a different printing process. At the time, I was really into tape degrading, where you bounce tapes to get that sound. The mono Dusty mix is bounced three or four times, so it’s a bit darker. It kills some of the ambience, but it makes some of the haunting quality of the song more forward. Whereas the stereo mix is more of what you’d expect — lush and pretty.
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:02 pm

i recently put my machina and adore vinyls on ebay and machina sold IMMEDIATELY but adore has had no bites.

adore is maybe my favorite pumpkins album, mostly cause i was a Sad Goth Teen, but it's ironic cause Jimmy's probably my favorite drummer of all time
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Postby reversemigraine » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:06 pm

The OG vinyl release was in mono. Didn't realize they finally put that out on CD.
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Postby forest design » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:06 pm

That's interesting. My Pumpkins obsession kinda started waning around the time I heard Ava Adore for the first time on the radio and didn't know what to think. I liked Adore, but at the time I had a hard time getting into it beyond a handful of tracks. Over the years it has definitely slow burned its way into my heart, though. Really want that set now, damn it.
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Postby reversemigraine » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:13 pm

Adore does absolutely nothing for me; Machina even less. The first CD-R I ever got was a recording of BC's solo Viper Room set where he debuted most of the Adore stuff, and I'd take that recording over the actual album any day.
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:14 pm

oh man i love the nighttimey vibes on it so much. the last few songs especially. and even something liek "shame" is kind of a shit song but i just love that bauhaus-y vibe
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:25 pm

jesus the drums on machina sound like crap
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Postby reversemigraine » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:25 pm

Man, I wish Adore sounded like Bauhaus.
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:32 pm

emotional fascism wrote:the mono mix of adore is all that.

sorry forest design.

Is there one mono track that you feel is clearly different from the stereo mix?

There’s an acoustic song called “The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete”. The mono mix is not only a different mix, but we did a different printing process. At the time, I was really into tape degrading, where you bounce tapes to get that sound. The mono Dusty mix is bounced three or four times, so it’s a bit darker. It kills some of the ambience, but it makes some of the haunting quality of the song more forward. Whereas the stereo mix is more of what you’d expect — lush and pretty.


Didn't really like the mono mix on CD and I rarely listen to vinyl these days.
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Postby reversemigraine » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:33 pm

That said, I'll readily admit that the Sad Goth Teen aesthetic was a huge turn-off for me, and to this day is something that I simply don't associate with the Gish/SD/MCIS eras. Thru the Eyes of Ruby and Porcelina were my jams, and that's the kind of stuff I wanted out of the band.
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:34 pm

reversemigraine wrote:Man, I wish Adore sounded like Bauhaus.


ha yeah i getchu. just something about the simple gothiness of the instrumentation on that one pushes similar buttons for me. like kinda reminds me of the ending of Hollow Hills or something.
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:36 pm

yeah fair enough. i was def more into like "by starlight"-type stuff, but obv both of those songs are unfuckwithable and hte whole swishy dreamy heavy SD vibe is a huge part of their appeal for me too
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:48 pm

reversemigraine wrote:That said, I'll readily admit that the Sad Goth Teen aesthetic was a huge turn-off for me, and to this day is something that I simply don't associate with the Gish/SD/MCIS eras. Thru the Eyes of Ruby and Porcelina were my jams, and that's the kind of stuff I wanted out of the band.


I thought MCIS was Sad Teen but not overly goth. That sort of weird theatrical element I guess could be associated with goth but Adore was much more overtly goth.

Last great jam song?



I could just listen to the opening riff over and over
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Postby reversemigraine » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:52 pm

Smiling Penner-Lite wrote:
reversemigraine wrote:That said, I'll readily admit that the Sad Goth Teen aesthetic was a huge turn-off for me, and to this day is something that I simply don't associate with the Gish/SD/MCIS eras. Thru the Eyes of Ruby and Porcelina were my jams, and that's the kind of stuff I wanted out of the band.


I thought MCIS was Sad Teen but not overly goth. That sort of weird theatrical element I guess could be associated with goth but Adore was much more overtly goth.

Last great jam song?



I could just listen to the opening riff over and over


Yeah, the live performance with Uli Jon Roth was fantastic.
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Postby Milk » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:19 pm

FourLegsGood wrote:More than any other song, Appels + Oranjes/What If suffered the most in its translation from demo to finished product. Could've been a truly fantastic single if Billy hadn't fucked it up.



i think it's one of the strongest on Adore and i prefer it to this demo.
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Postby belgavin » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:13 pm

So what is the most likely surprise at the end of the countdown?

Album release date, tour announcement plus a single?
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Postby DasLofGang » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:15 pm

zeitgeist was a pumpkins-branded billy solo album feat. jimmy chambs and that was a fucking -decade- ago

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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm

belgavin wrote:So what is the most likely surprise at the end of the countdown?

Album release date, tour announcement plus a single?


Yeah, I think a Greatest Hits Tour for sure, judging by the famous lyric posters they've been putting up.
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Postby FourLegsGood » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:23 pm

Unless it's SP playing 4 dimensional chess and having D'arcy part of the reunion (it's not) it's going to backfire a bit press-wise and we'll get to see Billy further implode.

That said, I'll probably go to a reunion tour with James
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Postby reversemigraine » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:39 pm

This shit isn't gonna get any press either way.
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Postby Pope Laserblast IV » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:46 pm

ugh am I really gonna go to this shit

I managed not to see them any of the times they've been thru town post-Orange Peel
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Postby Ides of Smarch » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:46 pm

Please don't give this guy any more of your money
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Postby FourLegsGood » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:01 pm

He's got a (best friend's) kid to feed.












Also they have a child together.
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Postby FourLegsGood » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:59 pm

https://pitchfork.com/news/smashing-pumpkins-respond-to-darcy-wretzkys-reunion-claims/
"In reuniting The Smashing Pumpkins, the band's dedication remains to its fans and its music. To that, James Iha, Jimmy Chamberlin, and William Corgan haven't played a show with D'arcy Wretzky for over 18 years. But it's not for a lack of trying. For despite reports, Ms. Wretzky has repeatedly been invited out to play with the group, participate in demo sessions, or at the very least, meet face-to-face, and in each and every instance she always deferred. We wish her all the best, and look forward to reconnecting with you all very soon."
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:14 pm

FourLegsGood wrote:https://pitchfork.com/news/smashing-pumpkins-respond-to-darcy-wretzkys-reunion-claims/
"In reuniting The Smashing Pumpkins, the band's dedication remains to its fans and its music. To that, James Iha, Jimmy Chamberlin, and William Corgan haven't played a show with D'arcy Wretzky for over 18 years. But it's not for a lack of trying. For despite reports, Ms. Wretzky has repeatedly been invited out to play with the group, participate in demo sessions, or at the very least, meet face-to-face, and in each and every instance she always deferred. We wish her all the best, and look forward to reconnecting with you all very soon."


Yeah this is pretty much what I expected.
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