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Postby shirts optional » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:44 pm

the best case scenario at this point is:

-decent single (no way an album is going to be good)
-full-bore chamberlain live
-Gish/SD/Pieces-heavy setlist
-Porcelina of the Vast Oceans

gimmie that and it'll be fine
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Postby FourLegsGood » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:51 pm

Hoping for the insane MACHINA reissue but that's definitely not happening
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Postby forest design » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:55 pm

Is he not doing it because all the Machina II material was released online back in the day? I don't think I've everreally heard a good rip of most of that material - I just caught it on like YouTube or shitty mp3s and I'd love a remastering.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:01 am

he's not doing it because of money
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Postby FourLegsGood » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:03 am

forest design wrote:Is he not doing it because all the Machina II material was released online back in the day? I don't think I've everreally heard a good rip of most of that material - I just caught it on like YouTube or shitty mp3s and I'd love a remastering.

No, it's a rights issue. His plan is to remix everything and create the conceptual double LP it was originally intended to be. Reports that there might even be rerecording involved as he considers it an unfinished album.
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Postby shirts optional » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:51 am

I'm surprised with the amount of failed post-reunion singles and one-offs



(Superchrist owns though)





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Postby forest design » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:07 am

Had no idea before now that those songs existed.

Only got through about a minute each of G.L.O.W. and FOL
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Postby Milk » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:08 am

shirts optional wrote:I'm surprised with the amount of failed post-reunion singles and one-offs




If i'd reviewed this track i would have ended my review as such

"come on, come on, come on, can you feel it?" supplicates Corgan and unfortunately the answer is a resounding no.
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Postby forest design » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:13 am

Superchrist does own tho
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Postby Ides of Smarch » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:48 am

superchrist is a small aberration on a steady downward trajectory.

this came up as suggested and it's worth posting again.

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Postby FourLegsGood » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:02 am

I was gonna make a list of SP's best songs since 2006 or whatever but it's really just this:
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Postby shirts optional » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:13 am

Tarantula is good, Superchrist is very good, most songs on Oceania are pretty good

i also quite like this b-side quite a bit and have no clue why it wasn't included on its eponymous album instead of tripe like Starz and For God and Country

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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:16 am

yeah i also liked stellar, death from above (yeah everyone hates this but whatever), and a few of the residency songs

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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:18 am

honestly this full conversation doesn't seem AS bad as just the snippets in that last interview. obviously not great but definitely shows how the editing can change the "tone" of something

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Postby shirts optional » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:31 am

I never thought I'd say this but Billy seem surprisingly self-aware about the whole reunion project in those texts

no changing setlist is a bummer though, but hey if it's "massive" that's great

and while we're at it, i'd really like to get james' take on the reunion, why he decided to do it, his relationship with the other three members, etc.
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Postby FourLegsGood » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:36 am

Those texts seem a little... edited. I mean, there're clearly things that we're not seeing in the evolution of that conversation.
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Postby shirts optional » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:38 am

whoa d'arcy is chiming in in the comments
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Postby lostintheair » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:09 am

In reuniting The Smashing Pumpkins, the band’s dedication remains to its fans and its music. To that, James Iha, Jimmy Chamberlin, and William Corgan haven’t played a show with D’arcy Wretzky for over 18 years. But it’s not for a lack of trying. For despite reports, Ms. Wretzky has repeatedly been invited out to play with the group, participate in demo sessions, or at the very least, meet face-to-face, and in each and every instance she always deferred. We wish her all the best, and look forward to reconnecting with you all very soon.
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:39 am

I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but the texts actually make Billy look way more reasonable than I expected. I can see his point.
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Postby Milk » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:25 pm

is no one gonna address the fact Darcy thinks Jack White is Patty (sic) Smith's son? :?
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Postby Milk » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 pm

whether she meant Patty Smyth or Patti Smith it is not factual.
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Postby bluelips » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:29 pm

christ what a trainwreck this whole thing is turning out to be
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Postby FourLegsGood » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:36 pm

Feel like the band probably always operated with this level of drama but now, with the internet, we’re getting a front row seat
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Postby Ides of Smarch » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:58 pm

I feel bad for all involved, including Billy who is clearly trying to be as accommodating as possible within the constraints of organizing a world tour. Darcy comes off as a bit of a flake, which I understand being a flake myself. Talking to Billy is probably a little bit triggering.
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:08 pm

Part of me thinks this is all a fix to build up hype and she'll be there for the Thursday announcement but then I've been in an abusive relationship with this band for decades now.
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Postby FourLegsGood » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:09 pm

If this is to “build hype” and it’s not genuine then I feel there is gonna be some YACHT-type backlash
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:03 pm

FourLegsGood wrote:If this is to “build hype” and it’s not genuine then I feel there is gonna be some YACHT-type backlash


Oh for sure, but I can see Crazy William Patrick Corgan doing this as some kind of "hilarious" joke and a commentary on music journalism and the soap opera of the Pumpkins.

Sometimes he comes across as very clever indeed, and then sometimes he comes across as batshit crazy, and it's hard to tell on a weekly basis what you're going to get.
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Postby FourLegsGood » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:21 pm

As I said, it’d be cool if this was some scripted drama and a meta commentary that fits in the with the MACHINA mythology of an imploding band and we are getting the last reissue or whatever but c’mon, it’s actually just watching a reunion kinda implode. That jack white/patti smith stuff doesn’t make any sense from a marketing angle and the story is honestly too nuts and makes everyone look bad.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:48 pm

oh jeez you guys
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Postby marble » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:52 pm

love d'arcy just replying with one word replies etc and billy just word-salading about the tour for paragraphs
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