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Postby worrywort » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:58 pm

i won't try to convince you guys to like something you don't like, but i've loved all three of her series and feel Broken Earth is top tier for her, for the genre, and for recent storytelling in general. one of the best examples of using a fantasy world to address real world issues i've ever read. plus i think she's one of the most empathetic authors, it shines through to me in every character.

i will say, all three of her series are completely different, and not liking one doesn't mean you won't like another. Hundred Thousand Kingdoms in particular is easy to get into. and who knows, maybe finding one you like will attune you a bit more to liking the others? that happens sometimes.
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Postby deadwolfbones » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:29 am

Loving The Will to Battle so far.
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Postby Kenny » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:50 am

Let's do another book club
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Postby tarantula » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:52 am

hey kenny, i saw that dragonlance compendium on yr bookshelf

would be curious to hear yr thots on it as an adult
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Postby deadwolfbones » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:13 am

I was idly pondering a trilogy book club wherein we read four trilogies over the course of a year. Or maybe a short story collection book club. I dunno.
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Postby i am rich » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:29 am

decided to do the malazan reread and im halfway through midnight tides. still the best series!!!! im doing the suggested reading order from the wiki so i only read one esslemont so far (night of knives). was good but def not as well written. ill check back in in like six months when im done with the whole thing lol
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Postby joe » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:17 pm

worrywort wrote:[broken earth] is one of the best examples of using a fantasy world to address real world issues i've ever read. plus i think she's one of the most empathetic authors, it shines through to me in every character.


agree with both of these points.

but i also can't imagine giving up on this series. it was a serious page-turner that i ravenously devoured in three days.
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Postby joe » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:22 pm

also read Ann Leckie's Ancillary trilogy and my view of it seems to be the same as hipinion's: first book was good to great but not mindblowing, sequels felt like they were just serials set in the same universe. the writing definitely felt clunky and jarring, especially after having just finished the jemisin
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Postby r m » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:12 am

I tried revisiting the Riftwar Saga last week and hoo boy it was rough. Feist was big shit for me and my friends when we were 13 or so and I had kinda wondered why his stuff never came up in conversations about beloved classics nowadays. I guess I have my explanation.
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:30 am

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Feel extremely dumb for feeling this way tbh.


That was my feeling. Couldn't get into her prose.

Currently reading Sea of Rust which is Wall-E except a much bleaker version.

Going to tackle Gnomon next. Can't remember if anyone else here likes Harkaway but I'm pretty pumped for it.
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Postby manvstrees » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:25 pm

restarted malazan, got three books in the first time years ago, might do it all this time
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Postby r m » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:11 pm

How does the Baroque Cycle stack up compared to other Stephenson?
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Postby number none » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:11 pm

It's like his other books but...more. It's probably my favourite of thing he's done, but there's definitely a lot of it and it can be kind of exhausting. If you're a fan of pulpy alternate history stuff and you liked his other work at all, it's certainly worth trying the first book at least
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Postby r m » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:56 pm

Is there any difference between the Collected Stories of PKD series from Citadel...

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...and these newer collections from Citadel...

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...beyond title and cover art?

(And is it even worth going too far beyond what's in the Lethem-edited Selected Stories compilation?)

Edit: Found the answer to the first question but still curious about the second question.
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Postby Guy Incognito » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:57 pm

i liked the first book of the baroque cycle a lot but "exhausting" is definitely a good word for it

i'll get around to book two, i just gotta work up an appetite again
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Postby walt whitman » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:57 pm

is the philip k dick series on TV electric dreams any good? it kind of looks like poorly directed trash
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Postby largecrow » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:17 am

have not read through the majority of this thread's backlog but did any of y'all finish Bakker's series last year/what you think of it?

been re-reading M John Harrison's Light/Nova Swing/Empty Space trilogy and while the first two are still excellent, last one still feels so obliquely written that it's impenetrable. and I'm usually a huge fan of his stuff.
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Postby uncledoj » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:27 am

largecrow wrote:have not read through the majority of this thread's backlog but did any of y'all finish Bakker's series last year/what you think of it?



I'm about 3/4 through the final book, and I like it a lot so far. Love the horror elements in the series, like the Nonmen Mansion in the last book, or Ishual, the Field Appalling, and everything to do with Golgotterath. I mean it's kind of self parodically bleak and I'll never be fully on board with Bakker's writing style, but he can really flesh out an interesting world. What did you think?
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Postby largecrow » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:34 pm

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largecrow wrote:have not read through the majority of this thread's backlog but did any of y'all finish Bakker's series last year/what you think of it?



I'm about 3/4 through the final book, and I like it a lot so far. Love the horror elements in the series, like the Nonmen Mansion in the last book, or Ishual, the Field Appalling, and everything to do with Golgotterath. I mean it's kind of self parodically bleak and I'll never be fully on board with Bakker's writing style, but he can really flesh out an interesting world. What did you think?


Pretty similar. There are passages where I think he really nails this ornate, bizarre, weirdness that is unique to his world. His vision and imagination are as usual pretty profound. At the same time I felt he got a bit overly-self-indulgent in places. "This is the last book of my great, important series, so everything about it must be great and important". It just felt...overstuffed? Overwrought? I guess it's sort of justified, though, in the sense that when it works, it really really works. Just maybe needed a bit more judicious editorial process.

Similar thoughts on the metaphysics and history of the world. It's mostly really compelling ranging to amazing, but parts of the book are so overstuffed with it that the emotional arcs of Akka, Kellhus, and other characters feel almost like afterthoughts. I thought he balanced this better in the first series.

Overall still really enjoyed it, and will definitely read whatever he comes out with next.
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Postby ouroboros » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:31 pm

anyone reading oathbringer?
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:15 pm

uncledoj wrote:
largecrow wrote:have not read through the majority of this thread's backlog but did any of y'all finish Bakker's series last year/what you think of it?



I'm about 3/4 through the final book, and I like it a lot so far. Love the horror elements in the series, like the Nonmen Mansion in the last book, or Ishual, the Field Appalling, and everything to do with Golgotterath. I mean it's kind of self parodically bleak and I'll never be fully on board with Bakker's writing style, but he can really flesh out an interesting world. What did you think?


Generally enjoyed the first trilogy though I didn't like the ending. The 2nd series just seemed to fluctuate between character interior philosophizing and impenetrable ancient Aliens. And I thought Robert Jordan had plot advance at a snail's pace.

His imagination and world building is both the greatest and weakest part of the writing because I just get bogged down. I love the philosophical aspects of God hood and hero worship and how he breaks down some of these archetypes but as you mentioned, it's so goddamn bleak it feels like I'm torturing myself and it no longer is entertaining.

I got to the point of "what the actual fuck is the point of this series?" and decided to drop it halfway through the last one and didn't read the conclusion.
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:17 pm

ouroboros wrote:anyone reading oathbringer?


Not the biggest Sanderson fan but thought Way of Kings was pretty original. For some reason, though I've purchased Oathbringer, I cannot bring myself to read it.

Currently reading: Gnomon by Harkaway, From. A Certain Point of View (Star Wars collection) and the Earthsea books.
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Postby deadwolfbones » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:18 am

Reading American War now. It good.
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Postby tonybricker » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:51 pm

Smiling Penner-Lite wrote:
ouroboros wrote:anyone reading oathbringer?


Not the biggest Sanderson fan but thought Way of Kings was pretty original. For some reason, though I've purchased Oathbringer, I cannot bring myself to read it.

Currently reading: Gnomon by Harkaway, From. A Certain Point of View (Star Wars collection) and the Earthsea books.


I stopped reading Oathbringer to read Gnomon instead. I don't know why I was expecting anything different from Sanderson, Oathbringer is totally in line with the previous books, I just kind of want to know what happens. I think he gets bogged down in too many details and entry level politics and makes stuff so obvious that there's little sense of wonder in much of it.

Gnomon, so far, is very much more my shit
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Postby ouroboros » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:32 pm

I finished Oathbringer. I can report that it is a pretty average read. Nothing too exciting, a few surprises, and a bit of Wit.
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Postby Spotlight Kid » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:36 pm

joe wrote:
worrywort wrote:[broken earth] is one of the best examples of using a fantasy world to address real world issues i've ever read. plus i think she's one of the most empathetic authors, it shines through to me in every character.


agree with both of these points.

but i also can't imagine giving up on this series. it was a serious page-turner that i ravenously devoured in three days.


I am in the process of doing this right now and holy hell. Far and away one of the best fantasy series I've read in years. I am flabbergasted at the idea of just losing interest and stopping, but different strokes I guess. Looking forward to tracking down her other work.

Disagree with you on Obelisk Gate feeling like an obvious middle, though. I thought she did a great job of ratcheting up the tension and stakes without overwhelming the reader with new characters, etc. Especially compared to the Ancillary trilogy which I also read recently, it was really gratifying to watch an already fascinating world get bigger and more elaborate.
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Postby dvr » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:10 pm

Kenny wrote:Let's do another book club


I need a book club in my life
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:24 pm

https://io9.gizmodo.com/we-entered-the- ... 1823088971

Interesting they decided to use Way of Kings for this.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:05 pm

I read the first Broken Earth book last week and yeah, it's incredible
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Postby ouroboros » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:52 pm

Smiling Penner-Lite wrote:https://io9.gizmodo.com/we-entered-the- ... 1823088971

Interesting they decided to use Way of Kings for this.


Kind of cool
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