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Postby DJUNGELKUNGEN » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:06 am

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Postby DJUNGELKUNGEN » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:07 am

i'm actually kinda ashamed of liking mma
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Postby neuroticguy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:12 am

I'm not ashamed of liking it. I'd be ashamed of liking it if I only enjoyed the bloodshed and violence, but that's not why I watch mma. I'd rather see a good submission and technical battle than a knockout or slugfest any day.

UFC 107 was great though. I think Guida ended up with a nastier cut than Diego did. I was hoping it would be stopped before Florian laid that jab on him and submitted him.
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:12 am

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Postby neuroticguy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:16 am

Penn is a genuinely scary dude. It seems like all of his fights end in horrifying fashion. Hopefully one day Florian can legitimately challenge him at 155 but I doubt that will ever happen. Penn going back up in weight and fighting at welterweight would be exciting but I just don't think he's a big enough guy to challenge someone like GSP. Jose Aldo vs Penn would be a dream fight.
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:21 am

Where they go with Penn next is going to be very interesting, honestly no one in the division really strikes me as capable of beating him. I guess after the loss to GSP he'll really not be that tempted to move up again, but who knows, that division isnt exactly full of guys as good as GSP, so he wouldnt be totally man handled.

Him against Aldo would be fun somewhere down the line, I want to see quite a few WEC guys getting the UFC exposure.
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Postby neuroticguy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:26 am

Aldo might be one of the best pound for pound at this point but it's a little early to tell as we haven't seen a lot of him. Mike Brown is obviously a really good fighter and he got manhandled by Aldo. I expected that though.

Also -- I hope Rua beats Machida's ass in their rematch so Anderson Silva can claim the belt and prove he's the greatest mma fighter of all time.
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:27 am

I expected Aldo to beat Brown, but the total and utter destruction caught me somewhat off guard. plus he's what 23? scary potential.
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Postby DJUNGELKUNGEN » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:30 am

the ufc should just buy over aoki, hansen, alvarez, kawajiri, jz and all of those guys in dream
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:33 am

i'd certainly love to see it happen, but then you have the thing of most of the audience not knowing who the fuck they are so you couldnt throw any of them in with Penn for a while.
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Postby words » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:42 am

Maze wrote:Where they go with Penn next is going to be very interesting, honestly no one in the division really strikes me as capable of beating him. I guess after the loss to GSP he'll really not be that tempted to move up again, but who knows, that division isnt exactly full of guys as good as GSP, so he wouldnt be totally man handled.

Him against Aldo would be fun somewhere down the line, I want to see quite a few WEC guys getting the UFC exposure.

I really wish there would be some way to move over the best of the 135 and 145 lb. weight classes (Bowles, Torres, Brown, Aldo, Faber, etc.) into UFC.

I'd love to see Aldo vs. Penn as well - but I have a feeling Penn will be moving back to 170 after one more fight. UFC was talking about running a show in Hawaii at Aloha Stadium - I could see a revitalized B.J. Penn vs. GSP headlining that (not that the outcome will be any different than it has been previously).
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:49 am

I guess they need to keep the guys in WEC to keep that brand alive, it does revolve around them.

UFC confirmed the 110 main card:

- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez
- Michael Bisping vs. Wanderlei Silva
- George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Stevenson
- Ryan Bader vs. Keith Jardine
- Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. Ben Rothwell

potentially a very sad card, I can see Wandy and Mirko both losing, and that's just not something I enjoy seeing. Sotiropoulos having a tougher fight than what he's really faced so far, interested to see how that plays out.
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Postby bluemovers » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:10 pm

UFC107 was pretty great. the mir/florian/penn wins were all spectacular to watch. i wish i'd have seen it live in HD rather than streaming on mmalinker, but still.

so what's up with brock?
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Postby words » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:10 pm

Some pretty interesting fights on there - Cro Cop vs. Rothwell will probably end up being a snoozefest though.

Just saw this picture of Diego Sanchez post-hospital:
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Postby words » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:11 pm

bluemovers wrote:UFC107 was pretty great. the mir/florian/penn wins were all spectacular to watch. i wish i'd have seen it live in HD rather than streaming on mmalinker, but still.

so what's up with brock?

Dana White said in the post 107 press conference that he'll be going to the Mayo Clinic in 4-6 weeks to see if he needs major surgery. If he does, interim title, presumably between Nog-Velazquez and Carwin-Mir winners. If not, no interim title and he probably fights Carwin?
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:12 pm

if there was ever a time for an interim title, this is it basically, i don't think a single person would complain.

bluemovers wrote:UFC107 was pretty great. the mir/florian/penn wins were all spectacular to watch. i wish i'd have seen it live in HD rather than streaming on mmalinker, but still.

so what's up with brock?


Last thing I heard Dana's hopeful he will be back to fight in the summer.
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Postby words » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:12 pm

Presumably part is my speculation - not what White said.
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Postby DJUNGELKUNGEN » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:20 pm

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Postby neuroticguy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:20 pm

Maze wrote:I guess they need to keep the guys in WEC to keep that brand alive, it does revolve around them.

UFC confirmed the 110 main card:

- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez
- Michael Bisping vs. Wanderlei Silva
- George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Stevenson
- Ryan Bader vs. Keith Jardine
- Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. Ben Rothwell

potentially a very sad card, I can see Wandy and Mirko both losing, and that's just not something I enjoy seeing. Sotiropoulos having a tougher fight than what he's really faced so far, interested to see how that plays out.


They just can't make a good card anymore. 107 was the only great card since 100. I don't really understand why they'd have that many great fights on a single card and then put up snorefests like these.
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:23 pm

They need to go back to sharing the wealth instead of stacking cards, it just makes the following months shows have a real lack of pulling power. It's basic business sense really.
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Postby tonybricker » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:28 pm

neuroticguy wrote:
Maze wrote:I guess they need to keep the guys in WEC to keep that brand alive, it does revolve around them.

UFC confirmed the 110 main card:

- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez
- Michael Bisping vs. Wanderlei Silva
- George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Stevenson
- Ryan Bader vs. Keith Jardine
- Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. Ben Rothwell

potentially a very sad card, I can see Wandy and Mirko both losing, and that's just not something I enjoy seeing. Sotiropoulos having a tougher fight than what he's really faced so far, interested to see how that plays out.


They just can't make a good card anymore. 107 was the only great card since 100. I don't really understand why they'd have that many great fights on a single card and then put up snorefests like these.


they have had a fucking ton of excellent main card fights cancelled due to injury and sickness since UFC100.

I was reading today that Mir's plan is to slowly get his everyday weight up to 280 with a strength coach and controlled diet so that he actually has to lose 15 pounds to make weight...this is in anticipation of a rematch with Lesnar sometime next year. Honestly, he is the most qualified guy, very talented on his feet and the ground, if the extra weight and extra muscle negates some of Lesnars physical advantages he would have a legit shot. I suppose Carwin and Velazquez would have a small chance with Lesnar, especially Carwin, but my gut says Mir is the guy to do it if anybody is gonna beat him next year.

Also excited to see Yvel on the next card, he's not a worldbeater but he is a pretty skilled heavyweight, should really help to shore up the division
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Postby neuroticguy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:32 pm

Maze wrote:They need to go back to sharing the wealth instead of stacking cards, it just makes the following months shows have a real lack of pulling power. It's basic business sense really.


it doesn't bother me really. I'd be hesitant to shell out $45 for one good fight. 107 was the first UFC ppv I bought since 101 where there were at least 2 good fights.
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Postby neuroticguy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:34 pm

tonybricker wrote:
neuroticguy wrote:
Maze wrote:I guess they need to keep the guys in WEC to keep that brand alive, it does revolve around them.

UFC confirmed the 110 main card:

- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez
- Michael Bisping vs. Wanderlei Silva
- George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Stevenson
- Ryan Bader vs. Keith Jardine
- Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. Ben Rothwell

potentially a very sad card, I can see Wandy and Mirko both losing, and that's just not something I enjoy seeing. Sotiropoulos having a tougher fight than what he's really faced so far, interested to see how that plays out.


They just can't make a good card anymore. 107 was the only great card since 100. I don't really understand why they'd have that many great fights on a single card and then put up snorefests like these.


they have had a fucking ton of excellent main card fights cancelled due to injury and sickness since UFC100.

I was reading today that Mir's plan is to slowly get his everyday weight up to 280 with a strength coach and controlled diet so that he actually has to lose 15 pounds to make weight...this is in anticipation of a rematch with Lesnar sometime next year. Honestly, he is the most qualified guy, very talented on his feet and the ground, if the extra weight and extra muscle negates some of Lesnars physical advantages he would have a legit shot. I suppose Carwin and Velazquez would have a small chance with Lesnar, especially Carwin, but my gut says Mir is the guy to do it if anybody is gonna beat him next year.

Also excited to see Yvel on the next card, he's not a worldbeater but he is a pretty skilled heavyweight, should really help to shore up the division



Mir is a beast. I don't know if he'll ever have the natural athletic ability that Brock seems to possess, but he certainly has the talent and moves. If he gets up to Brock's size I'd say it'd be an easy Mir win.
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Postby hocuscrocus » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:52 pm

I doubt that if he gets up to Brock's size that he'll have that speed. I guess considering what is going on with Brock who knows what kind of size/speed he'll have when (if) he comes back, though.
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:57 pm

tonybricker wrote:they have had a fucking ton of excellent main card fights cancelled due to injury and sickness since UFC100.


yeah you're not wrong there, the company has been riddled with bad luck. the 108 card's chopped and changed more times than i care to remember.
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Postby tonybricker » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:10 pm

hocuscrocus wrote:I doubt that if he gets up to Brock's size that he'll have that speed. I guess considering what is going on with Brock who knows what kind of size/speed he'll have when (if) he comes back, though.


the other factor is Mir's conditioning, he has been known to gas at his more natural weight, hard to believe he would have great cardio at 280...But I really doubt that a rematch with Lesnar would remotely approach 3 rounds
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Postby words » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:14 pm

Seems like he actually is doing conditioning. The way someone put it on another forum - Mir would bounce at some Vegas strip club until 2 weeks before a fight and then decide to go train.
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Postby neuroticguy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:17 pm

I think a big part of the reason that Brock was able to control Mir so well on the ground was due to his size. Obviously skill was involved there as well, but if Mir goes up to 280, then there is no way Brock controls him as easily on the ground. And we all know how good Mir's ground game is. Mir has shown excellent striking too in the past few bouts and had Brock stunned at one point during UFC 100. Brock had to gather his wits once he was on top.

I still don't think either would beat Fedor though, l o l.
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Postby Maze » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:18 pm

Brock has certainly it would appear made Mir pretty hungry/pissed,he's looking more dangerous than he's ever looked. still doesnt mean he'd beat Brock, but fuck knows what Brock's going to be like when he returns and what sort of state he'll be in, it might end up really helping Mir.
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