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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:45 pm

I would rather they do tj-cruz, since cruz has wins over tj and dj, that would make it more interesting and it's been a good while since they fought in comparison to cody-tj

but hey faber yelling makes for good tv i guess
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:49 pm

Brouhaha wrote:I would rather they do tj-cruz, since cruz has wins over tj and dj, that would make it more interesting and it's been a good while since they fought in comparison to cody-tj

but hey faber yelling makes for good tv i guess


Is Cruz ready for another fight? He fell out of the Rivera fight a few months ago, didn't he?

EDIT: He broke his arm in November, so... I'd think March would be soon?
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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:50 pm

that's all on the thought that dj wants a good while to prep for any superfight, otherwise just offer him seven figures and do that fight
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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:54 pm

yeah, i guess it is too soon for cruz

how bout tj-faber, both entertained it after the cody fight and faber has stayed current with usada testing
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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:01 pm

be weird to have him come out of "retirement" on such short notice and he likely wouldn't do very well. but he'd take it for the right money and the history/drama would help sell it.
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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:19 pm

I really don't blame tj here

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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:20 pm

do cody-rivera and let ortega headline
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:49 pm

Tonight is a bunch of 2/10, some 4/10 and a small handful of 6/10 excitement level fights. Which is like... the lowest level acceptable to still watch but just low enough that I kind of feel like not doing so
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Postby zach york » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:34 pm

This card has been low key good so far considering the no names
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Postby Brouhaha » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:19 am

damn, valentina with them vicious jon jones elbows.

poor nicco
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Postby Brouhaha » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:27 am

200 plus strikes to 1, good lord

really hope she didn't end up breaking her hand. so fucking dominant.
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Postby joymonger » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:25 am

mario yamasaki is getting a lot of heat for the valentina's fight. i feel like i've seen worse, but to his credit, i feel like the other fighter was intelligently defending herself for much of the fight. obviously not when she was in crucifix.
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Postby Brouhaha » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:34 pm

it definitely could have been stopped a few times and he also missed the first tap and has a history of fucking up. already missing big john

a lot of tweets were criticizing her corner for not throwing in the towel, she issued a statement saying she's a warrior and doesn't quit and is glad they didn't :roll:

I think more fighters should tap to strikes and there shouldn't be any shaming about it like all the twitter reactions to David Branch and Joanna who vehemently denied it. no ref or corner would know better than the fighter how bad it really is. Should be treated the same as a submission, if you see no way out, why risk a major concussion on some bullshit pride trip that you endured it to the end, but hey dana white might post that you have heart so it's totally worth it. just accept that it isn't your night and tap then maybe you can fight again in 2-3 months instead of 6-12 due to injuries
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Postby Brouhaha » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:23 am

nate and cody both want the edgar fight :lol:

just give it to ortega already and stop all this nonsense
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Postby joymonger » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:26 am

i'm honestly cool with those edgar matchups.

agreed about tapping to strikes. save some brains, people!
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Postby Brouhaha » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:38 am

cody would get smothered and finished real quick.

I'd be into a Nate fight, not sure what weight nate is currently walking around at to even make 155 on short notice but he probably could

still rather ortega get it though
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Postby buriedinspace » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:29 am

If Nate wants it, that is a fight that can minorly save the show. I'm all right with it.
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Postby Brouhaha » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:19 am

Dana has pretty much given up on Nate since he turned down 5 or 6 fights. alvarez and kevin lee both recently called out nate. I think eddie beats nate and that nate knows that's a tough match up for him and probably the reason he turned it down, if he loses to eddie then there likely won't be a conor trilogy. He has a better chance vs Lee and a win would get the bookers excited to do bigger things with him again. Plus the trash talking between those two would sell the fight pretty well. Nate fighting and beating Edgar who is a 45er(even if it's at 55)wouldn't mean much but would really hurt him if he lost.

Conor should be pushing to fight TWood, I don't like his odds but a loss vs TWood wouldn't look that bad since he's moving up, if Conor miraculously wins they can set up the superfight with GSP and draw record numbers. If/when TWood wins and maybe knocks Conor out, it would finally get him over with the fans and he can headline PPVs and get decent numbers and/or be the one to fight GSP. And Conor can still go back down and fight Ferg-Khabib winner. Colby Covington is kinda right that a TWood-RDA ppv would be a super low buyrate, would have to make that a co-main or maybe have it headline a fox card.

Holloway says that all the new weight cutting measures will likely soon force him to move up to 55. Conor still thinks of himself as the 45 champ and keeps taking shots at Max, doubt Conor fights again at 45 but a 55 fight with Max is something they can try to do down the line.

I think people are sleeping on Ortega and he has a decent chance to really shake things up at 45 and be a star, plus Dana is pretty high on him so that's good

I would do Ortega-Edgar as the main and Lee-Nate as the co-main even though more people would want to see the latter, just be weird to have a fight that doesn't lead to a title shot go after one that does
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:24 pm

to clarify, i meant conor's next fight should be vs TWood but not that it should be at 222. I just threw that in there since I heard conor was negoitating his next fight

Looks like they are trying to do Nate-TWood at 226 since they are both pushing for that fight. So dumb, Nate will get starched real quick, don't see it even going into the 3rd. Nate isn't even ranked in any official ufc division right now(probably to inactivity but #6 at best), lost badly to the current number one contender in that div, and his last win was a short notice fight vs a guy who fought at 45. RDA is right to be pissed, I'd rather see RDA-Thompson anyway.

Bitch move on TWood's part, I can understand getting paid but this shouldn't be considered any kind of superfight. Aside from RDA, he's cleaned out the div, if he doesn't want that fight and is all concerned about his legacy like he claims, he should be trying to fight a top 5 in the next div and try and get a second belt.

lol UFC is going to lose any chance of conor-nate 3 after nate gets decimated by TWood. but at least then Conor might try to fight TWood.
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:27 pm

they need to run a buy 221 get 222 free promo

or just make them both free
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Postby buriedinspace » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:53 pm

Conor should fight Ferguson or Khabib. I like superfights but I don't need to see him get demolished by T-Wood.

Fine with watching Nate get destroyed though, tbh.
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:58 pm

Conor doesn't have that much better of a chance vs either. This would elevate TWood with fans and a loss wouldn't hurt conor much and he can still fight the winner of Khabib-Ferg later. Khabib probably beats Conor in 1-2, Ferg does it in 2-3 and TWood in 1st rnd. But crazy shit can happen
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:02 pm

conor fights and loses to khabib-ferg winner in his next fight, then what? back to 45? a trilogy with nate who was beaten badly by TWood?
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Postby buriedinspace » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:22 pm

Conor could beat Ferguson. I wouldn't favor him but I think he'd be very competitive at the very least. Khabib is a real challenge, but hey... that's true for everyone?

Conor is a lightweight, he should fight lightweights. If he loses, he loses. And he'll retain his star power in doing so - you can do the Nate/Conor trilogy, non-title like the first two, whenever you want. Wins and losses matter but not so much that it ruins people. Look at Nick Diaz (coming off a dominant loss to GSP) vs Anderson Silva (coming off two dominant losses to Weidman). That show didn't do monster numbers but it did just fine. And Anderson beat Nick, fairly handily, and Nick would draw coming back (and probably would have drawn coming back sooner, too).

Before beating Michael Johnson, the second to last fight for Diaz before he faced Conor in a fight that drew a huge buyrate was... losing embarrassingly vs RDA. Dos Anjos outclassed him like a motherfucker. It didn't matter.

Do Ferg/Khabib winner vs Conor. If they beat Conor they're able to be promoted as the legit champs. If Woodley faces and beats Nate, he's out of his weight class and maybe you try and find him a winnable but marginally bankable lightweight fight but Woodley comes away from it a bigger star.

Conor has fights with Holloway, Aldo, Nate, Khabib, Ferguson, not to mention Gahtje, Edgar, Faber and others you can do and while having titles would make them bigger deals, I don't think it really matters a huge amount. And of course, he could leave whenever he wanted to do boxing bullshit again too. I don't think they should move on from Conor or Diaz but the way combat sports works is that the young eat the old. And yet, the old tend to keep on drawing decently too - Oscar, Manny, Liddell, Brock, Rousey - they all drew just fine after suffering big loses.

I think whoever wins Ferguson/Khabib is basically going to be in the Cormier position, whether deserved or not. If you think they'll beat Conor, well... great. Conor/Khabib in Russia would be a fantastic spectacle. Conor/Tony would draw just fine (and be a super fun fight, I think). And if Conor wins, hey - great, your biggest draw is champ again.

If Diaz isn't going to be OK with being rank and file and having fun main events against Gahtje or Cowboy or whoever, then his worth is pretty much the Conor fight and, pro wrestling parlance, putting dudes over. If the way that happens is making it worth his while and making it a title fight, up a division from where he belongs? Cool. Fine. I'd rather the Ferg/Khabib winner gets Conor, Nate takes a winnable LW fight and the winner of Conor/LW champ faces Nate. If, say, Ferguson beats Conor and then follows it up by beating Nate? That blows his star up big time. And of course, if Conor wins and they do the trilogy fight, for the title, as something that is halfway credible? Great!
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:39 pm

i agree with some of that but do think fans care about losses more these days especially two in a row. doubt if rousey had chosen to fight again it would draw over 400k. If Nate had beaten Conor twice, his next fight would have taken a smaller hit but only because he has Ireland.

conor fighting max at 45 or 55 is what i personally want to see, would be the longest distance fight for conor and they can get their own trilogy going. think max took away aldo's U.S draw quite a bit, don't see him headlining any ppv unless it's some desperation last second fill in, he should move down or up to rebuild, but i guess if edgar beats max...
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Postby buriedinspace » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:51 pm

I think Ronda vs someone with a decent build (i.e. she spoke to the media and they had some manner of bad blood) would have done 750+.

Ronda vs, let's say... Juliana Pena, which could fit that mold, would do business. Hell, Ronda vs Tate III was always sitting there. Ronda vs Holm II would do a million plus.

Rousey vs someone with a .500 record coming in from Invicta could do better than 400k, in part BECAUSE of the losses. 'Is Ronda Rousey done?' would be a sports story. I feel like it'd be a top 5 buyrate for the year.
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Postby buriedinspace » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:06 pm



Who is Yana Kunitskaya? The Invicta Bantamweight champion making her UFC debut, expecting to face Leah Letson at the show. Depending on how you parse it, she could vaguely be considered a former 2 time Invicta Bantamweight Champion? That's because one night she beat Tonya Evinger in such a way that the commission overturned the decision, followed by her losing solidly to Evinger in a rematch. She's 3-2-1 in her last 6 fights and on a 1 fight winning streak (wherein she won the then vacated by Evinger Invicta BW title). Her Invicta record ends at 1-1-1.

So, essentially, she's the sort of woman I was saying Ronda could still draw with, somewhat dismissively. I don't know that I feel similarly about Cyborg (and apparently the Nunes fight is on hold - rumors had it it was likelier to headline in Brazil than be a co-main for IFW but either way, even if Cyborg smokes her, I doubt she fights again in July (but maybe?))
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:11 pm

that's crazy talk on those rousey numbers.

cyborg-yana might end up like that last
shevchenko fight. dumb booking. cyborg does draw pretty well(by 2017-18 standards) but not vs someone nobody knows and on short notice and on a weak card.

score one for dana even though i cant trust that he doesn't change his mind in like a week.
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