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Postby Drinky » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Quigley wrote:This is cool as hell, congratulations. Is that Chad Vangaalen? He rules too.


Thanks!

It is, and yes, he does.
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Postby easy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:21 pm

and you're my fact-checking cuz
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Postby Merciel » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:47 pm

That's really cool. Congrats, Drinky. :)
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:36 pm

throughout all of the hype and glowing buzz about black panther, i'm having a hard time parsing how much of it is because it's a legit amazing movie and how much of it is because it's an "important" movie

a lot of the press and reviews i've read lean on the latter. which is great. but is not pushing me over the edge to buy a ticket, as a non-marvel guy.
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:38 pm

legitimately feel like i'd buy a ticket only for the latter, but i have been listening to a lot of the Black Men Can't Jump In Hollywood podcast so that's been coloring my thoughts about it a bit maybe
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:40 pm

i hope my post didn't come off as close-minded or insensitive. i've just read a bunch about the movie and it's more about the political and social aspects as opposed to like, "this movie shreds and is a ton of fun"
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Postby blurst of times » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:49 pm

Edit: well maybe nm

i probably can't see this until next week, but i'm psyched!
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Postby Viola Swamp » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:50 pm

about to go have a drinky in wakanda for my boy drinky
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Postby Marx & Engels » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:56 pm

Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:throughout all of the hype and glowing buzz about black panther, i'm having a hard time parsing how much of it is because it's a legit amazing movie and how much of it is because it's an "important" movie

a lot of the press and reviews i've read lean on the latter. which is great. but is not pushing me over the edge to buy a ticket, as a non-marvel guy.


My first impression after seeing it (and enjoying it!) is that I'm not really on board with the "first Legitimately Great Marvel Movie" takes. In the most basic plotting sense, it doesn't really break from the Marvel formula at all imo
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:03 pm

yeah i just don't really love marvel flicks so i'm intrigued by all of the absurdly great reviews
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Postby scrambled » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:44 pm

even though yes the whole time it all felt very important and this afrofuturism we've never seen before - it was a fun as fuck movie. it felt like non stop stimulation and yah i'm just pathetic and can't stand more 2 hours of movie i never felt bored and i think you'll have a good time. and i've skipped out on most marvel in the past 5 years.

plus idk if it was the crowd or how good the actors are but there are ... *plenty* of jokes that really could have bombed but were pretty hilarious. we couldn't hear the dialogue for about two minutes cuz everyone was laughing so hard at WHAT ARE THOOOOOOOSEToggle Spoiler
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Postby scrambled » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:45 pm

Smiling Penner-Lite wrote:
tawny frogmouth wrote:anyone notice that there's this pattern of reviewers saying great things about a marvel movie when it comes out while trashing marvel movies in general? but it happens every time? so that the last movie, which got great reviews and people generally liked, is held up as the typical marvel trash, unlike this current one, which we'll shit on for the next one


I expect Black Panther will be fantastic. I just hope it's not a Wonder Woman situation where it is overpraised.


yah that was my fear too cuz miss me with like the scrappy war movie. but BP is like as if WW just went outside Themyscira for like 20 minutes for a fun interlude and then safely returned for some kickass story
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Postby reversemigraine » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:51 pm

One of those inconsequential little things I've been wondering about after reading a few reviews: Is the movie a bit of a soft retcon w/r/t the way Wakanda is handled in Civil War? Because some of the descriptions of the movie make it sound like it's this place that almost no one knows about and that's been extremely insular and closed off from the world, but in CW they're just another country that's being represented at an international conference -- I don't think I got the impression in that film that it was all that mysterious.
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Postby number none » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:04 pm

Could be wrong, but isn't there the version of Wakanda that the world is familiar with and the "real" Wakanda?
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Postby davideotape » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:52 pm

number none wrote:Could be wrong, but isn't there the version of Wakanda that the world is familiar with and the "real" Wakanda?

Yeah wakanda is well known in the world but the tech wakanda is hidden. Gollum explains it with some heavy exposition in one scene that i think was used for one of the early previews
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Postby reversemigraine » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:02 pm

Ohh, right. That makes sense.
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Postby Bad craziness » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:10 pm

This was fantastic and a lot of fun

I’ve seen all of the marvel movies. The reason this one stands out is because it’s rooted in family, culture and community. The world of Wakanda is its own character that makes the struggles of the characters take on a dimension that’s deeply personal on an emotional level, but also bigger than all of them combined. And it’s bigger than all of them combined without becoming an impersonal cliche like “saving the world”.

Every other marvel movie is about a quirky white guy stumbling into powers and then having a conflict more or less handed to them from outside, with arbitrary stakes that shuffle around the “saving the world” trope. This one is about a conflict emerging from within a family, whose intimate struggles ripple out into global consequences. It makes it much more relatable and much more emotionally potent.

People are definitely extra-gushing over it for the meta-context of it all, but they’re also extra-gushing over it because it’s the Marvel movie with the strongest dimension of intimacy.
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Postby inspectorhound » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:35 pm

killmonger fucking owns
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Postby davideotape » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 pm

Bad craziness wrote:People are definitely extra-gushing over it for the meta-context of it all, but they’re also extra-gushing over it because it’s the Marvel movie with the strongest dimension of intimacy.


Yeah agreed. And thats the “Legitimately” part of the “first legitimately great marvel movie”— like bucky and cap had a conflict in their friendship through no fault of caps or buckys. T’Challa had to carry the weight of his fathers mistakes and own them, and made the conflict stronger. plus he had an arc where, even though killmonger was wrong, the conflict moves T’Challa from a place of strongly favoring isolation to ‘maybe this guy has a point about how it got this far, and ill try to do something about that’.

Most marvel movies dont really have that inner journey if I remember. I guess Iron Man had a kind of arc that to some degree, but in a much different, much colder way
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Postby inspectorhound » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:31 pm

killmonger was right
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Postby davideotape » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:40 pm

inspectorhound wrote:killmonger was right

The movie addresses this.
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Postby Celiac Cruz » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:06 pm

congrats drinky!
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Postby saranclaps » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:12 pm

All the praise for the movie almost enough to give me a sense of FOMO to override my aversion for seeing a blockbuster movie the opening weekend. Still don't want to deal with crowds and lining up and shit.
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Postby Bad craziness » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:17 am

davideotape wrote:
Bad craziness wrote:People are definitely extra-gushing over it for the meta-context of it all, but they’re also extra-gushing over it because it’s the Marvel movie with the strongest dimension of intimacy.


Yeah agreed. And thats the “Legitimately” part of the “first legitimately great marvel movie”— like bucky and cap had a conflict in their friendship through no fault of caps or buckys. T’Challa had to carry the weight of his fathers mistakes and own them, and made the conflict stronger. plus he had an arc where, even though killmonger was wrong, the conflict moves T’Challa from a place of strongly favoring isolation to ‘maybe this guy has a point about how it got this far, and ill try to do something about that’.

Most marvel movies dont really have that inner journey if I remember. I guess Iron Man had a kind of arc that to some degree, but in a much different, much colder way
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It could be argued that the Thor movies have a similar theme of big conflicts emerging from the intimacy of family and a cultural home, but gods aren’t as relatable as the Wakandans, and Asgard is mostly an inert setting, with crowds of default frightened townspeople used as a plot pawn only when needed, and then discarded

In Black Panther, Wakanda is so fully realized from the bottom up, you feel it as “a people” whereas Odin has to verbally remind us multiple times that Asgard is “a people, not a place”, even though that theme has barely been earned by what we see and feel on the screen

This movie deserves all the praise and success it’ll get. Hopefully it shifts the axis of hollywood in all the best ways
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Postby Viola Swamp » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:46 am

inspectorhound wrote:killmonger fucking owns

inspectorhound wrote:killmonger was right



Lotta people at my matinee were team killmonger, his lines got huge applause
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Postby bobble » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:12 am

this was really good! my fave marvel movies are black panther thor 1 guardians 1 iron man 1 winter soldier
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Postby Sobieski » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:14 am

saranclaps wrote:All the praise for the movie almost enough to give me a sense of FOMO to override my aversion for seeing a blockbuster movie the opening weekend. Still don't want to deal with crowds and lining up and shit.

or watching a MARVEL movie
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Postby ashtrayheart » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:09 am

huh, thought this mostly sucked shit. i’m at basically zero for enjoying marvels movies at this point and this felt pretty much exactly like a marvel movie. felt like none of the jokes worked especially until the end when that guy had a horn that summoned rhinos, but i figured that laugh was unintentional.
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Postby reversemigraine » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:30 am

On track for $205M opening. :shock:
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