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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 10:04 am

also - ctw, other people who strike me as more versed in recovery lit - what are some titles that have been valuable to you?

i am interested in john berrymans "the recovery" right now, may pick that up next
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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 10:04 am

bongo wrote:one recent thing ive been thinking about is how amazing it is to actually be excited about doing things and exploring the world as an end in and of itself. perhaps this seems obvious or inarticulate but for me for so long everything hinged on drinking, drinking was the most important and/or decisive factor in whether id go do something (making sure i had enough quantity, would be able to drink enough, trying to manage/balance my drunk with respect to the social/familial/life demands in context) . all of this seems so sad now. the booze didnt light up those experiences with the ecstatic glow i thought it did, it dulled things and made my experience of them inauthentic and shot through with (sometimes quite a lot of) absence

anyway, heres to experiencing things raw and ragged and fully


silly but i dont want this buried at the bototm of a page
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Postby came to wreck » Fri May 11, 2018 1:07 pm

tbh i havent read much recovery lit. i read the 12 and 12 and big book to do the steps so i know of those. some ppl like the aa "daily reflections" cause you can just read the small reading for the day and its chill. ppl in the rooms like to namedrop chuck c's "a new pair of glasses" but ive never read it myself. ive liked reading an autobiography or mostly listening to a podcast interview with someone who happens to be sober cause its kind of like hearing them qualify, especially if theyre on WTF since he is sober as well. i guess i mostly just go to mtgs a few times a wk to get my recovery fix. thru the years ive been lucky to have heard some insanely good speakers at mtgs.
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Postby gold and glass » Fri May 11, 2018 1:41 pm

was this posted in here? it's v good

https://medium.com/s/unrulybodies/the-b ... 2e2d2ac86d
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Postby internethandle » Fri May 11, 2018 1:53 pm

bongo wrote:
i am interested in john berrymans "the recovery" right now, may pick that up next


this seems like it would be a harrowing read. also interested, though!
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Postby antoine » Fri May 11, 2018 1:59 pm

gold and glass wrote:was this posted in here? it's v good

https://medium.com/s/unrulybodies/the-b ... 2e2d2ac86d

I liked this. Thanks.
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Postby LPS » Fri May 11, 2018 2:04 pm

whats this recovery lit thing about because i thought recovery meant you had to stop getting lit? I'd probably check out a recovery if it was lit.
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Postby goldsoundz » Fri May 11, 2018 2:04 pm

re: recovery lit - big fan of anything sarah hepola, especially her memoir from a few years ago "blackout"
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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 2:10 pm

oh right i think i actually have an epub of blackout. will check that out next ty for the reminder
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Postby mead » Fri May 11, 2018 2:18 pm

i identify hugely with that post bingo
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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 2:19 pm

:) glad to hear that
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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 2:20 pm

and i feel identified by... chuck palahniuk??

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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 2:24 pm

oh and also thanks for that link g&g thats a good piece
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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 2:26 pm

god that palahniuk quote gives me a gutpunch shame memory of always being the one who was like, blasting through expensive bottles of rare beer and constantly filling up everyones little taster glass and trying to get to the next bottle, all the while drinking heavily from the growler of double ipa or whatever id brought for myself to supplement the actual tasting going on
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Postby goldsoundz » Fri May 11, 2018 2:34 pm

yeah that's a good read. fave quote:

The more you drink, the more you become defined by the drink, the more you look like a drink and smell like a drink and behave like a drink. In a blackout, this effect reaches its apex — you leave your body completely, and the drink is finally left to move unaccompanied through the world.
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Postby antoine » Fri May 11, 2018 2:36 pm

goldsoundz wrote:yeah that's a good read. fave quote:

The more you drink, the more you become defined by the drink, the more you look like a drink and smell like a drink and behave like a drink. In a blackout, this effect reaches its apex — you leave your body completely, and the drink is finally left to move unaccompanied through the world.

Yeah this stood out to me too
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Postby RIXX » Fri May 11, 2018 2:38 pm

yeah that quote really kinda creeped me out, thinking about all the times I was blacked out among friends and just moving and acting totally unconsciously, it was the drink moving alone in the world. like those zombie ants that move around and operate while their brains are infected by a parasitic fungus
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Postby bongo » Fri May 11, 2018 3:10 pm

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Postby bear » Fri May 11, 2018 3:39 pm

this book of poetry by a former addict mother mourning the overdose of her addict son was heart-breaking:
http://www.autumnhouse.org/product/small-door-death-sheryl-st-germain/
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Postby RIXX » Fri May 11, 2018 3:59 pm

I remember enjoying this a couple years ago

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Postby dvr » Fri May 11, 2018 5:46 pm

bongo wrote:oh right i think i actually have an epub of blackout. will check that out next ty for the reminder


I liked blackout
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Postby camping » Fri May 11, 2018 5:52 pm

oh jeez, i know the guy who wrote that medium piece and didn't realize it til the very end. really good stuff.
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Postby something sensible if » Fri May 11, 2018 9:58 pm

Years ago when I shared this thing I made on facebook I mentioned that I quit drinking and "even though i only really drank on the weekends" sobriety made a huge impression on me. now i'm thinking that is word for word something a drunk would claim and i wonder if anyone put that together. in any case it's probably pretty cool to watch a drunk who is oblivious to the fact he is a drunk excitedly become sober.
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Postby ripersnifle » Wed May 16, 2018 12:17 pm

started that Jamison last night and have been delving into it today

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Postby ripersnifle » Wed May 16, 2018 12:25 pm

RIXX wrote:I remember enjoying this a couple years ago

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Jamison makes reference to this.
i need to check this out, too. might be next on the docket for me.
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Postby bongo » Wed May 16, 2018 12:26 pm

i listened to the recovering on audiobook for 75% of it or so, jamison herself narrates and does a great job

cant really overstate how important this book is for me already
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Postby ripersnifle » Wed May 16, 2018 12:28 pm

yea i was about to post that this feels very fortuitous to me to have found this text at this moment
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Postby ripersnifle » Thu May 17, 2018 11:25 am

When I started to drink, to really drink, to become conscious of my drinking not just in terms of pleasure but escape, I was ashamed, but also proud. My urgent attempts to disappear from myself suggested there was something dark and important - depression, neurosis, psychic complexity - that required disappearing from. It wasn't that I slipped on pain as a garment. It was more that I tried to understand the pain as a psychic compost, something with an aesthetic purpose. I wanted it to complicate and deepen me.

pretty taken aback at this paragraph from early on in Jamison when i encountered it yesterday.
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Postby bongo » Thu May 17, 2018 11:26 am

yeah that hit me hard too, and there are countless moments like that throughout. glad youre liking it :)

im actually sent an email to jamison to thank her for this book :oops:
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