White people get beat up too; where is the outrage, Jesse?!

[cartola]

who is chairkicker?

[sleigh]

wait that's not stupid ass

it was windfucker, i let him use the account because it used to be my account and now i figure he'll change the password. he made it sound pretty urgent

i assumed he would identify himself though, that's pretty funny

hey fuck you man

the account is still yours man

geez the guy just said he wanted to make a post

got people pming me and shit

[chairkicker]

i am endoskeleton

[good pups]

is this like when peOple decided the west Memphis 3 were innocent? I've tried to read to find out. It it is rather difficult indeed.

[chairkicker]

i've overstepped my bounds and not made a good case for whatever it is i'm arguing. i'm literally not educated enough to be entering this discussion and i realize that. but i'm not downplaying the public outcry or the demand for action. it was deserved and without it zimmerman may have walked, which would have been a victory for lazy police work, stand your ground and engendered social injustice, which is unacceptable on any terms. i also don't think bringing race into the argument was a mistake, but i do wish for a different kind of discussion; one that doesn't trade the lives involved for immediate interests.

[seafoam]

this is important, because conversely his control and stability were grounded in police behavior, it was a young unknown black teenager that ignited him, just as his calls prior

what you're not addressing is that zimmerman is fixed on a image, as you can see from the 911 call, of suspicious, vaguely 'thuggish' youth that originates from a flash assessment of character via body language, location, circumstance, familiarity. the plays back into institutional and individually held racism, but it also transcends it to signify something of his personality.

fine, but what did Trayvonn do that was illegal, a thuggish strut?

[chairkicker]

NOTHING. i'm suggesting zimmerman's thought process is abnormal, not that anything about trayvon's existence is. zimmerman is to blame for all of this

[universe]

i've overstepped my bounds and not made a good case for whatever it is i'm arguing. i'm literally not educated enough to be entering this discussion and i realize that. but i'm not downplaying the public outcry or the demand for action. it was deserved and without it zimmerman may have walked, which would have been a victory for lazy police work, stand your ground and engendered social injustice, which is unacceptable on any terms. i also don't think bringing race into the argument was a mistake, but i do wish for a different kind of discussion; one that doesn't trade the lives involved for immediate interests.

Nobody "brought race" into it; when a young, black man is killed because someone wrongly assumed they were up to no good, or a criminal, it's part of a long and tortured history of malformed racial attitudes in this country. Race is an emergent, inherent quality in the event, it's not something people just slapped onto it for their own personal reasons. And saying that is really offensive, as it ignores the fact that black people have to be mindful of these cultural assumptions at all times, because they could very well end up dead because of them.

[Hal Jordan]

the account is still yours man

geez the guy just said he wanted to make a post

got people pming me and shit

he changed the password

[chairkicker]

and in turn his perverse reaction to some perceived threat transcends pure racism, is what i meant

[universe]

I just don't get why you guys are bending over backwards to try and making this not about race.

[Oroku]

universe is right even though hes a douche.

[chairkicker]

i've overstepped my bounds and not made a good case for whatever it is i'm arguing. i'm literally not educated enough to be entering this discussion and i realize that. but i'm not downplaying the public outcry or the demand for action. it was deserved and without it zimmerman may have walked, which would have been a victory for lazy police work, stand your ground and engendered social injustice, which is unacceptable on any terms. i also don't think bringing race into the argument was a mistake, but i do wish for a different kind of discussion; one that doesn't trade the lives involved for immediate interests.

Nobody "brought race" into it; when a young, black man is killed because someone wrongly assumed they were up to no good, or a criminal, it's part of a long and tortured history of malformed racial attitudes in this country. Race is an emergent, inherent quality in the event, it's not something people just slapped onto it for their own personal reasons. And saying that is really offensive, as it ignores the fact that black people have to be mindful of these cultural assumptions at all times, because they could very well end up dead because of them.

i agree with that, though, except that i don't think racism is an inherent quality of the incident by default. but bringing up racism is not the personal interest i was suggesting. it is legitimate concern. i'm talking the personal demand for justice above careful assessment of the situation

[VHGisdead]

why would you share a password with someone who was banned for being a creepy and verbally abusive piece of shit

[chairkicker]

in other words, mob rule as it applies to everyone involved in the media shitstorm. people locking ground so the situation becomes simpler for them

[Durham]

back to my shitlist sleigh

[Frank]

durham stfu

[Self Destructive Zone]

i've lived in an overwhelming black city my entire life (less so today than in my childhood), and i can safely say i have no fucking idea what the people in that diner thread are talking about. too rowdy at amusement parks? really? all teenagers are horrible in public places.

[seafoam]

and in turn his perverse reaction to some perceived threat transcends pure racism, is what i meant

I appreciate your insight as mcphee and iambic, just disagree on some points, I think you all are just alluding to a macro sensibility and not the tragedy in and of itself, which is fine, but even so, I disagree on some levels that you all believe change is tangible in a macro sense. It has to start generationaly and thankfully I think the younger ones get it more but to think racism is a quick fix to extinguish . . .

[Self Destructive Zone]

i made that post so you guys would know that, not unlike david simon, i get black people.

[gold and glass]

oops

[Self Destructive Zone]

also how often do you hear black people say cracker and honky outside reruns of the jeffersons?

[chairkicker]

racism isn't close to a quick fix. i don't necessarily believe change can happen in a broader sense, either. i'm pretty cynical about it because it involves more than a single populace finding common ground. but to affect change at all you have to consider all fronts and engage the resulting discussion in a broad forum. that this doesn't happen is exactly why racism is so pervasive

[carlperkins]

what city do you live in sdz

[pablito]

Universe you are slaying ass itt thank you.

[Self Destructive Zone]

dc

[WAC]

i've overstepped my bounds and not made a good case for whatever it is i'm arguing. i'm literally not educated enough to be entering this discussion and i realize that. but i'm not downplaying the public outcry or the demand for action. it was deserved and without it zimmerman may have walked, which would have been a victory for lazy police work, stand your ground and engendered social injustice, which is unacceptable on any terms. i also don't think bringing race into the argument was a mistake, but i do wish for a different kind of discussion; one that doesn't trade the lives involved for immediate interests.

Nobody "brought race" into it; when a young, black man is killed because someone wrongly assumed they were up to no good, or a criminal, it's part of a long and tortured history of malformed racial attitudes in this country. Race is an emergent, inherent quality in the event, it's not something people just slapped onto it for their own personal reasons. And saying that is really offensive, as it ignores the fact that black people have to be mindful of these cultural assumptions at all times, because they could very well end up dead because of them.

I just don't get why you guys are bending over backwards to try and making this not about race.

Thank you

[Barmy]

def enjoyed universe's responses, i thought mcphee esp sounded like a massive dipshit, but im just a bystander

[Frank]

i've overstepped my bounds and not made a good case for whatever it is i'm arguing. i'm literally not educated enough to be entering this discussion and i realize that. but i'm not downplaying the public outcry or the demand for action. it was deserved and without it zimmerman may have walked, which would have been a victory for lazy police work, stand your ground and engendered social injustice, which is unacceptable on any terms. i also don't think bringing race into the argument was a mistake, but i do wish for a different kind of discussion; one that doesn't trade the lives involved for immediate interests.

Nobody "brought race" into it; when a young, black man is killed because someone wrongly assumed they were up to no good, or a criminal, it's part of a long and tortured history of malformed racial attitudes in this country. Race is an emergent, inherent quality in the event, it's not something people just slapped onto it for their own personal reasons. And saying that is really offensive, as it ignores the fact that black people have to be mindful of these cultural assumptions at all times, because they could very well end up dead because of them.

I just don't get why you guys are bending over backwards to try and making this not about race.

Thank you

[chairkicker]

no one is bending over backward for that reason. i wish i could make up for all the stupid things i said in that post, as i agree that no one is "bringing up race." the national outcry is more than healthy. anything to raise awareness under the circumstances is a good thing. i responded to the OP in the same way. i just wish that here, especially, the anger spawned from the whole thing was less a deciding factor in the discussion. you've willfully deflected salient points because of the banner that hangs over you if you don't and that shouldn't be the case. racism and stand your ground are not the only concerns