the next great meme

[machinist]

Leon has a buch of KRS-one and 2pac pictures in his real non gimmicky facebook account; apparently he's one of the oldest Progeria dudes out there

here him talking about his art and life here

http://www.mg.co.za/multimedia/2010-01- ... transgress

here is his myspace

http://www.myspace.com/solarize_liquidswords

Liquidswords, he loooves his GZA

whats weird is none of the Die Antwoord people are in his top friends on myspace or youtube or anywhere else; im not sure theyre that tight; probably just got him to do that video cuz they know him through the hip hop scene, although they claim he's their official DJ so I'm not sure

he's too real for them

[Lampwick]

Fuck imagine having progeria and being 20+ and not knowing if you're seconds away from your body finally giving up.

[machinist]

this is just a reformed version of an old group who used to be called 'Max Normal' [btw, the dude and the female sidekick are married]

they used to be part of this group

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Normal.tv

figured they had to be pros, these videos are too well done to be some random viral stuff by newcomers

this South African article spells it out

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:1G ... =firefox-a

“Max! Max! play ‘Hazel’s Joint.’ Come on!” yelled some drunk guy in the front row. “Ons is na die toekoms,” replied Ninja with a look of calmly threatening intent in his eyes that said, simply, “Max doesn’t live here anymore, move on.” Still the guy persisted. Ninja came over to us. I pictured a swift decapitation with minimal disruption. “Listen, I’m not gonna do that song, okay?” he said. And that was that. He did play “Super Evil” though.

I don’t know if the rest of their crew’s given up on them or just couldn’t make the trip, but tonight, Die Antwoord were down to two. With a laptop and their regular video backdrop, Yo-Landi Vi$$er and Ninja turned The Zulu Jazz Lounge into lyrical Swiss cheese, unleashing their own twisted take on the Cape Flats and thug life with the usual mixture of high energy and satire.

Covered in homemade prison tattoos, with a mouth full of gold and venom, Ninja seemed unusually pissed off and hateful. Stalking the stage like a wild animal in the corner, he spat out lines like, “Fuck Sweat.X and every one of their tracks. Markus Wormstorm is short and fat. They think I’m crazy. They think I’m a alien. Love me or hate me I’ll be back.”

This time, Watkin Tudor Jones (aka Ninja) has taken his role playing/method acting to all new levels of extreme, literally wearing his parody on his body: from gold teeth and a Bafana Cuts hairdo, to tattooing “Pretty Wise” on his neck in blue prison ink. Some say he’s crazy. Some think he’s lost his mind. But one thing’s for sure: the dude’s committed. So’s his wife and sidekick Yo-Landi, who’s also had some dental work and homemade tattooing done.

Another thing that’s undeniable is Ninja’s stage presence. The guy’s a born entertainer: explosive, volatile and intense. Every time I’ve seen him perform, as Max Normal, MaxNormal.TV and now as Ninja/Die Antwoord, he’s been nothing short of captivating. From all out angry rap to soulful R&B croons and laid back trippy wordplay. As usual, tonight’s performance included the customary Stage Dive of Doom.

[machinist]

Here is Watkin Tudor Jones back in 2002 when he was still trying to be a real MC, before he realized he'd have more success as a white mc by creating some sort of gimmick; my theory is no one took him seriously as a white mc, so he just decided to do parody stuff

Used to perform as 'Max Normal', lot of good old youtube videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbkMhYnT ... re=related

[Lampwick]

man you're just exposing this guy as a fraud

[machinist]

man you're just exposing this guy as a fraud

I mean i detect the snark, and thats not really what Im trying to do at all, i actually find these guys fascinating and love what theyre doing, and crave more than the few songs they have as Die Antwoord, so I thought id do some digging and found all kinds of stuff, and thought id share it with the board

anyways regarding Max Normal; going through old videos of them on youtube, they seem to have gotten progressively more and more gimmicky over the past decade, at some point in 2008 deciding to to abandon 'Max Normal', disappeared for a bit, and now just the married couple are doing their own thing with the Progeria guy

[Lampwick]

Sorry I don't mean to be an asshole and given enough time I would have deleted that response.

<3

[Herzog]

machinist going all Woodward and Bernstein on this shit

[machinist]

Sorry I don't mean to be an asshole and given enough time I would have deleted that response.

<3

its cool, found this too, which is relevant insofar as it gives some credence that behind all the persona, this guy is a talented MC

googled his name and he used to be part of a really another respected underground hip hop group

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constr ... orporation

The Constructus Corporation was an electronic / hiphop act from Cape Town, South Africa, that burst into life in early 2002 and had disbanded by mid-2003, leaving only the one-of-a-kind concept album / book "The Ziggurat" (African Dope Records, 2002) as legacy.

At the time, The Constructus Corporation (aka Constructus) was somewhat of a Cape Town underground supergroup, combining the creative talents of chameleon-like rapper / satirist Waddy Jones (aka Watkin Tudor Jones) and his long-time DJ partner Sibot, with Cape Town's two most prominent electronic music producers of the time - Felix Laband and Markus Wormstorm.

this dude has been prolific over the years

he also seemed to have released an independent album as just Walter Jones that some torrent sites seem to have

[machinist]

http://www.last.fm/music/Watkin+Tudor+Jones

Genius chameleon of South African hiphop over the past decade, Mr Jones has incarnated in many forms, aka MaxNormal.TV, aka The Constructus Corporation, aka Max Normal, aka Yang Weapon, aka The Man Who Never Came Back, aka Watkin Tudor Jones etc. Watkin Tudor Jones (his real name), spat out one album under that moniker - The Fantastic Kill. not recommended for sheep.

Currently incarnating as MaxNormal.TV

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he seems to be kind of an underground legend in the South African hip hop scene, based on the type of comments people leave on his various internet pages from years ago

maybe he can finally achieve pseudo mainstream hype appeal with a viral youtube campaign and actually make some money from all this talent; the ninja song is really catchy and needs to be a novelty one hit wonder type thing in top 40 radio; I want to believe

[man hold up]

does anyone have a download link for this album on their site? or know a program i can use to record the audio from the stream on a mac? i really want a hard copy of this shit!

[machinist]

this is the first DieAntwoord ever uploaded to youtube; notice how amateur the video production is? who stepped in to finance 'enter the ninja' and their subsequent stuff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDqHtffmsuQ


also this song, 'eat meat', which is all in Afrikaans, is a modified version of a Max Normal song, so it's clear this was the exact point of convergence

whats also interesting is that in March of 2009, someone (someone who uploads a lot of their early stuff, I assume it's either them or an associate) uploaded a proto version of 'Enter the Ninja', but instead called 'Ninja Strike', without a music video, with the description of the group as this; the actual song 'enter the ninja' wouldnt be uploaded until late 2009

Ninja Strike is a mobile phone game that suites the hectic futuristic ninja rap band; Die Antwoord perfectly. Goto: http://www.watkykjy.co.za and download the game or Die Antwoord tunes for free!

the song is a bit different too, although similar with the same beat but only 2 minutes long; did they intend this to just be some kind of mobile phone ring tone or something? were they first conceived as some kind of 'hectic futuristic ninja rap band' instead of what the new image they have now? interesting stuff; maybe at first they were just trying to enter the phone market as a novelty and realized they had something more there

just speculation

June 13, 2009 seems to be the first time they actualized this schtick in person

[HUMANIMAL]

i'm going to go ahead and say this enter the ninja track is fucking awesome

[Herzog]

machinist is blowing my mind here

[haywood]

machinist is putting way too much thought into this.

[HUMANIMAL]

is there an album upload anywhere, i can't find shit

[machinist]

is there an album upload anywhere, i can't find shit

the reformed version of the group has not put out an album yet, only a scattering of songs mostly found on youtube, but if you have a craving for Watkin Tudor Jones' rap stylings in album format, I suggest this

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5063586 ... es_320kbps

not seeding right now, but perhaps on waffles or what.cd or soulseek

also check out: MaxNormal.TV, aka The Constructus Corporation, aka Max Normal, aka Yang Weapon, aka The Man Who Never Came Back

[HUMANIMAL]

i have no access to waffles or what and soulseek just gives one guy (you, i'm guessing) with a long queue

[Guffaw]

waitaminute, tsimfuckis is south african?

[machinist]

i have no access to waffles or what and soulseek just gives one guy (you, i'm guessing) with a long queue

haha no it's not me, i just discovered these incredible people as a result of this macseries thread, and have been scrambling to catch up and become the foremost expert on all matters Die Antwoord; havent been able to get any of his old South African hip hop stuff either; but it's on youtube and although he's an ace mc, it's nothing too exciting, as he's just rapping like a normal dude about normal stuff

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Hey guys, remember, Ye, come on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Vaz9jW054

[fritz]

bumpp

[Meginhufr]

[gold and glass]

is there an album upload anywhere, i can't find shit

You can stream the whole thing on their site but I think that's it for now

[gold and glass]

waitaminute, tsimfuckis is south african?

Unless I'm confused, I think Tsimfuckis is a completely different person who also happens to have progeria

[The Emperor's Son]

waitaminute, tsimfuckis is south african?

Unless I'm confused, I think Tsimfuckis is a completely different person who also happens to have progeria

ANOTHER ANT?

[Pris]

older songs tended to be in Dutch too, well I think it's Dutch

I would imagine its Afrikaans

I can't hear any Afrikaans without cracking up. The language is essentially 18th century Dutch, with made-up words for whatever was invented afterwards. So, it sounds more than a little retarded when they're all like "A pox! My moving-pictures-watcher hath thus broken. I shall have to resort to my sound-catcher to learneth the end of this ball-kick event! I beseech thee woman, get me my wind-in-the-contraption, for 'tis unbearable, an electric-cooking-device, even!"

Bandname translates to The Answer and the girl is freaking me out...

[geesegoose]

this is just the greatest an the best fucked into one meme

[Ersaph]

I need this album.

[atomicbombshell]

this is the first DieAntwoord ever uploaded to youtube; notice how amateur the video production is? who stepped in to finance 'enter the ninja' and their subsequent stuff?

not sure about financing, but the art direction for the album was done by roger ballen