Unsolved Mysteries, mk. 2

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
You're all fakes
Run to your mansions
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Postby Beautiful Jugdish » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:40 am

i like under the banner of heaven, thought last we talked about it user hopped had a really cogent critique of it.
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Postby Beautiful Jugdish » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:40 am

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Postby Shotfrog » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:11 am

I recently went down the Israel Keyes rabbit hole. It's like trying to understand an alien life form. Nothing about him makes sense.
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Postby warmhouse » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:25 am

finished I'll Be Gone In The Dark. blew through it in about 3 days. Bit of a let-down! It's a cold case and the author died halfway through it, sure, but it's a really underwhelming piece of work.

(psst. maybe it should have stayed unreleased)
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Postby the scofflaw » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:34 am

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A novel by Chuck Palahniuk.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:12 pm

This isn't unsolved, but it WAS unsolved at one point and it sure is weird: the Collyer Brothers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyer_brothers

Homer Lusk Collyer (November 6, 1881 – March 21, 1947) and Langley Wakeman Collyer (October 3, 1885 – c. March 9, 1947), known as the Collyer brothers,[2] were two American brothers who became infamous for their bizarre natures and compulsive hoarding. For decades, the two lived in seclusion in their Harlem brownstone at 2078 Fifth Avenue (at the corner of 128th Street) where they obsessively collected books, furniture, musical instruments, and myriad other items, with booby traps set up in corridors and doorways to ensnare intruders. In March 1947, both were found dead in their home surrounded by over 140 tons of collected items that they had amassed over several decades.[3]
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Postby wintergreen » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:21 pm

i read the entire madeleine mccann wiki and i still don’t know what happened to her.

i still haven’t solved the laco waco murders either.
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Postby wintergreen » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:32 pm

Dr. Norm Thagard wrote:
wintergreen wrote:i read the entire madeleine mccann wiki and i still don’t know what happened to her.

i still haven’t solved the laco waco murders either.

Are you talking about the lake murders?

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-murders-at-the-lake/


yeah, that’s lake waco. i’ve been meaning to solve those murders, but no luck yet.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:00 am

http://tsjuzek.com/blog/z340.html

To this day, the Zodiac Killer's second major cipher, z340, remains unsolved. In this post, I argue that z340 is most likely a fake cipher. This hypothesis has been put forward before, but without hard evidence. Such evidence is provided here, mainly through the analysis of mean squared distances for ngrams. This analysis is applied across various ciphers: z340, z408, which is the other major cipher by the Zodiac Killer, twenty generated ciphers based on real texts, and twenty fake ciphers based on random letter sequences. The results show that z340 behaves unlike other true ciphers. Instead, it associates with the fake ciphers.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:01 am

#zodiachoax
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Postby marble » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:10 am

whenever zodiac comes up in everyday conversation i start rambling like a madman about the #zodiachoax and people look at me like i'm insane. read between the lines people! #fuckgraysmith
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Postby warmhouse » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:44 am

could you expand on that?
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Postby marble » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:25 am

ted could expand on it more i'm sure (and i think he may have at some point?), but the gist is basically that the zodiac doesn't exist, it's just a series of unconnected murders that graysmith cobbled together to sell newspapers/the eventual book http://zodiachoax.blogspot.com
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Postby Ted Pikul » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:43 am

I wrote it up here:
viewtopic.php?p=5696307#p5696307

I mixed up the details of Lake Berryessa and Blue Rock Springs but the gist is the same
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Postby warmhouse » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:57 am

oh shit. im gonna deep dive this. it always felt a little weak connectivity-wise anyway!
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Postby Ted Pikul » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:59 am

The Generation Why podcast did like 3 episodes on it
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Postby RIXX » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:59 am

wintergreen wrote:
Dr. Norm Thagard wrote:
wintergreen wrote:i read the entire madeleine mccann wiki and i still don’t know what happened to her.

i still haven’t solved the laco waco murders either.

Are you talking about the lake murders?

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-murders-at-the-lake/


yeah, that’s lake waco. i’ve been meaning to solve those murders, but no luck yet.


this article was so good, thanks

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Postby warmhouse » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:41 pm

ok im hitching my ride on the zodiachoax wagon
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Postby Shotfrog » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:43 pm

Ted Pikul wrote:The Generation Why podcast did like 3 episodes on it

Hey Justin, how you doing?

I’m good Aaron, how are you?

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Postby patrick cokane? » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:48 pm

zodia choax
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Postby warmhouse » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:42 am

attack of the clones ass sounding name
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Postby warmhouse » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:22 am

warmhouse wrote:ok im hitching my ride on the zodiachoax wagon

I’ve just read several reddit comments that seem to think I’m completely wrong. Gonna have to consult some runes
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Postby manierisme » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:34 am

the zodiac hoax theory seems too unwieldy to me... i can understand thinking its possible, but actually the most likely explanation?

zodiac is frustrating because there's a ton of suspects but none of them really seem strong at all.
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Postby Hutch » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:46 am

Not totally #unsolved but did anyone post this thing about this hippie lesbian couple raising six adopted black children who they often abused and then drove them off a cliff and into the Pacific Ocean?

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... nia-cliff/

Officials have said the crash may have been intentional, judging by software in the vehicle showing it stopped at a pull-off area before speeding off the cliff. Officials found no skid marks to indicate sudden acceleration or braking, according to a search-warrant affidavit.

They left a trail of child-abuse allegations across three states, including one that prompted an official from Washington’s Child Protective Services to visit their Woodland house right before they drove off for California.

Who were the Harts, really?
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Postby warmhouse » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:23 pm

manierisme wrote:the zodiac hoax theory seems too unwieldy to me... i can understand thinking its possible, but actually the most likely explanation?

zodiac is frustrating because there's a ton of suspects but none of them really seem strong at all.

I had one of those moments where I listened to Horan on the Gen Why podcast, and it felt really convincing. Then moseyed on over to a reddit thread and it's full of people rolling their eyes and doing the jerk-off motion, etc. I have this exact feeling with EVERY true crime book, however.

I can understand some of those people maybe have a vested interest in the zodiac murders being a "thing" but some of what Horan said - if it's in any way true - feels like a sure way to discredit the whole idea.

the main one i keep going back to is the three/four murders all being ENTIRELY different. it helped make the movies more visually interesting, sure, but it also feels like really loose threads all flimsily put together.
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Postby Shalabi » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:54 am

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Postby Ted Pikul » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:01 pm

Ted Pikul wrote:So I'm catching up on unsolved mysteries/true crime links I'd previously saved this afternoon, and here's a very, very weird story from 1978 (that was completely new to me):

Here's a big contemporary WaPO article on the case:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... d4c9426726

And here's the Charley Project page with a decent summary:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mathias_gary.html

Mathias was last seen near Oroville, California on February 24, 1978. He went missing with four friends: Jack Antone Madruga, Jackie Charles Huett, Theodore Earl Weiher and William Lee Sterling. The men were part of a day program for mentally handicapped adults and played on a basketball team. On the night of February 24 - 25, they were supposed to play a basketball game in Chico, California, then return to their homes. They all lived with their parents. Mathias and Madruga were both licensed drivers; Madruga was going to drive them that night.

The five men never returned home. On February 27, their car was found on a mountain road in the snow on a Plumas National Forest service road, 70 miles from Chico and far from their route home. Although it was at the snow line and its tires had spun, it wasn't stuck and the men could have pushed it free, and it had a quarter tank of gas and was in operable condition. The area where the vehicle was located is heavily forested, mountainous and rocky. The snow was four to six feet deep, and a storm was raging in the area at the time. The men were not dressed appropriately for the weather; they all wore street clothes and low-cut shoes. Madruga was the only one who ever drove that vehicle, he didn't like camping or cold weather, and none of the men were familiar with the area.

In June 1978, after the spring thaw, the bodies of Madruga, Huett, Weibel and Sterling were found. Authorities found Weiher's body in a Forest Service trailer in the Daniel Zink campgrounds, nineteen and a half miles from where the car had been. He was lying on a bed, with eight sheets pulled over his corpse and tucked around his head. Weiher lived for an extended time period, perhaps eight to thirteen weeks, but eventually died of exposure. His feet were badly frostbitten and he had lost 80 to 100 pounds before dying. His shoes were missing, but his ring, necklace, and wallet with cash were sitting on the table next to the bed. There was also a gold Waltham watch, with its crystal missing. It didn't belong to any of the five men.

Weiher had apparently gained access to the trailer through a broken window. Although there were matches and paperback books and wooden furniture, no one had started a fire, and no one had touched the propane tank nearby. Someone had consumed more than a dozen cans of food from an outside storage shed, but there was an unopened locker in the shed that contained enough food to have fed all five men for a year.

Investigators believe Sterling and Madruga never made to the trailer; their bodies were found four and a half miles short of it, on opposite sides of a road, the day after Weiher's body was found. Police think Huett and possibly Mathias came to the trailer with Weiher, but left again. The day after Sterling and Madruga were found, Huett's skeletal remains were located along the same road, but much closer to the trailer. Searchers did find three wool Forest Service blankets and a rusted flashlight about a quarter of a mile northwest of the trailer. They found Mathias's sneakers inside the Forest Service trailer with Weiher's body; authorities think Mathias might have put on Weiher's shoes, which were a larger size than his own, after his feet got swollen from frostbite. An extensive search turned up no sign of him or his body.


There are some odd details in the WaPo article. The cops thought that Madruga's car was in way too good condition to have been bumping around mountain roads in the dark; they theorized that someone familiar with the roads drove it there (which wouldn't have been any of the 5 men).

And this:
Then there was the man who saw lights on the road. Joseph Shones, 55, told police he drove his Volkswagen bug up that same road sometime after 5:30 the evening the boys disappeared. He said he was checking the snow line, because he wanted to bring his wife and daughter up that weekend. His car got stuck in the snow just above the snow line - about 50 yards beyond the place where the Mercury would be found - and as Shones was trying to free his car, he said, he had a heart attack. (Doctors later confirmed to investigators that Shones had indeed suffered a mild heart attack.)

Shones lay in the car with engine on and the car heater going, he said. Sometime in the night, he heard what he described as whistling noises a little way down the road, and he got out of his car. What he saw looked like a group of men and a woman with a baby, he said, walking in the glare of a vehicle's headlights. He thought he heard them talking. Shones said he yelled for help, but the headlights went out, and the talking stopped.

Shones got back into his car and lay down again, he said. Sometime later, maybe a couple of hours, he saw lights outside his car window - flashlight beams, he said. Again he called for help.The lights went out and whoever was out there went away. Shones said he lay in the car until it ran out of gas, and then while it was still dark he walked back eight miles to the lodge called Mountain House, where he had stopped for a drink before heading up the road. Just below his Volkswagen, in the place where he had heard the voices, he passed the Mercury Montego sitting empty in the middle of the road.


This is a frustrating case to read about, because it seems to have been forgotten about completely after 1978. As far as I can tell there's been no closure and very little activity.

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True Crime All the Time Unsolved covered this on their most recent episode, haven't listened yet
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Postby domesticwhite » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:13 pm

ted that case sticks out in my head so much, its a really spooky read.
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Postby whatabout tim » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:52 pm

Not sure if it qualifies as just creepy pasta or relevant for this thread, but one of the recent night call eps exposed me to dear david: https://storify.com/moby_dickhead/dear-david
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Postby Dinosauria We » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:53 pm

any chance you could link directly to that episode of true crime all the time? visited the site earlier today and couldn't find it. this was one of those stories that has definitely stuck with me since initially reading it as well. weird stuff.
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