Questions about Getting in to Dj'ing (Techno/House)

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Postby Eugenics » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:02 am

cud at some point you gotta play ewan pearsons remix of closer musiks one two three no gravity. probably should do it at the beginning or the very end though.
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Postby Eugenics » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:03 am

oh, and rent a spaceman suit to wear. nasa or alien
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Postby dragon jeans » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:16 pm

4 hours isn't really unbearably long if you prepare correctly.

Don't cheat and pre-program your set. It will be worse than if you didn't, I guarantee it. The beginning and end of DJing is being a good, timely, observant selector. No beatmatching is better than a totally pre-programmed set. There's only a 2% chance you will construct the right set for the crowd and moment for the entire 4 hours, and that's really just not worth the work it would take to pre-program it.

However, you make it sound like you're using software that beat matches for you, which would make it even less acceptable to pre-program the set. Pull about 8 hours worth of music (not really that much, when you think about it), and organize it by genre, bpm, and if you're really anal like me, adjectives like "jackin" or "moody" or "melodic", and go from there. You could also organize it by time, as in tag it as early, late, or in the middle of your set. In any event, what I'm saying is if you're willing to put in the leg work of pre-programming a whole set, you might as well just organize your music in a meaningful way. That way your work is also helpful to you in future sets, not just this one.
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Postby CudNylon » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:16 pm

Eugenics wrote:oh, and rent a spacImage
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Postby j_brooks » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:25 pm

the micromix thing is a bad idea also just because it's boring

i mean like the argument over acceptability is one thing, but what you have to think about more than that is that you're going to have to be up there for 4 hours consistently

it is gonna be really fucking dull if you set yourself up for long 20 minute stretches of time where you have nothing to do
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:52 pm

good luck cudz. i'd agree with brooks and dragon jeans that you definitely shouldn't overprepare, especially for that kind of crowd. those kids just need a soundtrack for all the beans, special k, and coke they're gonna gobble up
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:01 pm

with regard to my own progress, i'm definitely going to start dj'ing live in the next couple weeks and i'll be a permanent member of the crew after that, but i've still got a lot of basic things to learn.

like live, manual beatmatching is pretty difficult for me. it's hard to keep count and match the beats up well. and i've never been a person with really any rhythmic ability (never played an instrument, can't even clap in time to a song), so i'm worried that i may never become very good at that particular skill. but i dunno, i think it's certainly possible to develop that skill.
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Postby sordid affair » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:03 pm

that sounds debauched!
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Postby brian » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:06 pm

beatmatching with serato is as easy as guitar hero u do that shit visually if u want tho the headz will hate on u but they will be hatin on u anyways if ur using a preskool midi controlller so w/e
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:09 pm

there's no software/laptop involved at the club where i'll be spinning. it's just two cdj's and a mixer
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Postby brian » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:10 pm

cdjs pretty much auto beat match man. it reads the bpm u just cue that kick drum and u r pretty much set of course a few pushes or w.e to get it on but really just practice
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Postby sordid affair » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:10 pm

reading that brian post was like solving a little word puzzle
andrei wrote: i heard james joyce is tough, this is probably like the james joyce of rap, ostensibly, if you wanna think of it in those terms. haha, and it bumps, too!
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Postby j_brooks » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:14 pm

i'm really feeling these brian posts
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Postby CudNylon » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:24 pm

i'm going to go with dragon jeans suggestion and make sure things are well organized and ignore too much pre-programming.

and lockhead, you're a braver man than i. rhythm isn't too hard to come by, especially if you get into the habit of tapping along or counting to whatever you're listening to. i use beatmatching as a crutch to free myself up to focus on other things, but if i had to i'm sure it wouldn't be too hard with a little practice.


edit: and i might have to dodge some of the experts in the thread, but i've been getting a lot of tips from http://www.djtechtools.com/ though it's mainly geared towards digital djing.
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:36 pm

i wonder if i can find corresponding sort of notation sheets for house tracks so i can kind of a get a sense of exactly what's going on with the composition of a track. having no technical experience at all makes me feel kind of lost
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:45 pm

those were pretty poorly written sentences
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Postby j_brooks » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:47 pm

what?

it's usually pretty straightforward i mean it's like a 32 bar intro and then the bass comes in

if you just practice for a little while you should just be able to feel it out i mean it's not complicated

the changes are in the same place for like 90% of all house tracks
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Postby brian » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:50 pm

what u mean notation sheets??? this is dance music that shit is simple almost every song will follow the 32 bar shit like either the drop at 32 or maybe thats where it picks up or something i mean it is harder i guess if u have no experience producing and ur on cdjs so u cant look at ur waveforms not that i suggest u do that but it would probably help u no. i mean really just listen to ur trax and count like u should be able to count 16 bars u should be able to feel when certain things are gonna happen with the tracks and sometimes they do sometimes they dont but no one really is gonna care too much if u are trainwrecking a few mixes just remember dont put a vocal over a vocal try to avoid bassline over bassline but if u do eq that shit out i mean work that mixer i have seen djs work the mixer well and i have seen fantom knob twisters working the crowd and party photogs. know ur tracks though like listen to them and know when certain things happen etc. sorry im being redundant but u no.
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Postby loaf angel » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:50 pm

my only suggestion

make sure you play die antwoord
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Postby brian » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:51 pm

yeah jbrooks said what i said in way fewerd words so read his post
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Postby dragon jeans » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:52 pm

The super generic house format is 32 bars intro, ~64 bars build, 16 or so bars breakdown, 64 back down, 32-16 outro.

Do you listen to a lot of techno and house when you're not DJing? Organizationally, you just begin to naturally anticipate the tracks after so long. I mean, at the very least you get really used to the phrasing. I guess if you're looking for something sort of visual, think of it like this:

4 measures (of 4 beats) is like the baseline metric. So, think of that as a meter, or visually as a _ or something.

A house tune is usually going to be structured in even numbers of _s. So, a tune might look like this: (_ _ _ _)(_ _ )(_ _)-(_ _)--(_ _)(_ _ _ _)(_ _ _ _), where each bracket represents a change or addition in the loop or a new loop altogether, and a dash equals a breakdown of some kind. So, as long as you can keep track of where a phrase starts (the first beat of the first 4 measures of a "meter"), it's pretty easy to anticipate changes and start up another tune in phrase with the one playing.

Maybe you knew all of that-- if so, sorry to get so basic. I never know where to start when explaining things like this.
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Postby dragon jeans » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:53 pm

Oh, cool, 2 people posted simpler versions of my post in the time it took to type it.
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Postby sordid affair » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:53 pm

brian posts like faulkner on e
andrei wrote: i heard james joyce is tough, this is probably like the james joyce of rap, ostensibly, if you wanna think of it in those terms. haha, and it bumps, too!
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Postby brian » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:53 pm

dragon jeans is some sort of geniuz with this shit (_ _ _ _)(_ _ )(_ _)-(_ _)--(_ _)(_ _ _ _)(_ _ _ _) big ups im gonna smoke and dj for my 4 cats right now. their names are jesus, bean, nancy and stella.
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:10 pm

honestly, i feel like there's something wrong with my brain. i don't think about music this way at all and it's extremely difficult to even conceptualize what you guys are saying. inside my head, it's pretty much "i hear sounds". i mean, i know there's a structure and i can understand and appreciate the progression of a tune, but not in the sense that i know what's happening musically. i've always thought it was a really strange cognitive deficiency.
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:12 pm

like i just looked up the wikipedia page for "bar"
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Postby sordid affair » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:12 pm

pretty interesting thread
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Postby lockheed » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:13 pm

i'm fucked, aren't i? is this like being born color blind?
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Postby sordid affair » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:14 pm

at least you're good-lookin'
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Postby dragon jeans » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:16 pm

Well, I mean, I'm not saying you have to dissect every tune. You definitely just feel it-- your brain wants to organize music like it is already organized. All that stuff up there is explaining why certain things sound "right", and how to use that in a DJ setting.

You'll get it with practice. Don't stress.
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