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Postby Kenny » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:26 pm

What are some good foundational introductory texts to socialism to give to someone. I feel like I'm good at arguing it emotionally but can't give a good detailed argument
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Postby freezinseason » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:33 pm

Kenny wrote:What are some good foundational introductory texts to socialism to give to someone. I feel like I'm good at arguing it emotionally but can't give a good detailed argument


is this for yourself to improve your knowledge of the details or to link to other people?
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Postby Kenny » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:55 pm

Someone asked me and I realized I didn't really have any reccs
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Postby freezinseason » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:21 pm

if you want to be very non-threatening then you can try something like this:

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

if the person isnt gonna freak out reading something by marx/engels then maybe:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/w ... in-com.htm
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Postby quilty » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:48 am

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Postby walt whitman » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:09 pm

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walt whitman wrote:$100,000 for a documentary on Socialism is...ah


are you one of those "Bernie can't wear a coat and call himself a socialist" socialists?

Not at all. I meant that film history has tons of examples of film projects representing or enacting socialistic concepts and struggle, many of those were made for nothing or relatively little by independent artists. The Jacobin project is asking for a ton of $ for what appears pretty dull on aesthetic/political grounds

Maybe I’m wrong and they’re making Battleship Potemkin 2.0
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Postby Infinite Jost » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:58 pm

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Postby waldojeffers1 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:02 pm

jacobin has had some dumb shit on twitter lately

wait what's this endorsing a nazi as left alternative to putin tho
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Postby Infinite Jost » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:19 pm

i honestly can't find it, they might have scrubbed it after the outcry
i remember them trying to defend by pointing out they also published an earlier article decrying him which, lol whatever
you still published an article by people calling him the left answer to putin even though he's racist scum
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Postby waldojeffers1 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:32 pm

hmm

sean guillory is pretty good on russia stuff usually

as a central asianist I harbor particular dislike for navalny but he is still a sort of canary in the putin coal mine and to some extent he can be useful for left purposes (a lot of the people who come out to his rallies say they don't like or support him either, but they are just taking advantage of the opportunity to go out to the street)

calling him a nazi is a little much
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Postby Infinite Jost » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:39 pm

ok i'll go with nationalist
whatever
he's not good
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Postby waldojeffers1 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:41 pm

yeah I'm not defending him, he ran for moscow mayor in 2012 on a heavily anti-immigrant platform and literally compared uzbeks to cockroaches in one of his videos

but I think sean guillory is conscious of that and wary of it but also sees the appeal of the anti-corruption campaign for getting other kinds of people out into the streets
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Postby Julius Sumner Miller » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:45 pm

Brexit seems like a clearly obviously good left position as I have posted here before, and as Jeremy Corbyn has argued.
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Postby Sobieski » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:28 pm

Kenny wrote:What are some good foundational introductory texts to socialism to give to someone. I feel like I'm good at arguing it emotionally but can't give a good detailed argument

Petty one thing you might want to look at it is early British trade union and the fabians

Also in the late 1800s there was this socialist named William Morris that was involved in a bunch of unions that also wrote fantasy that inspired Tolkien and stuff
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morris
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Postby Kenny » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:32 pm

Dude, I'm a huge William Morris fan. One of the things I did on my week between jobs recent was to visit the William Morris Gallery.

I've read News From Nowhere a couple of times and a few of his fantasy books (My favorite is the House of the Wulfings)

I honstely think it's amazing that a man like William Morris with so many talents existed in the world
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Postby Sobieski » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:42 pm

That’s awesome, it’d be neat to see his work in person. You probably know way more about him than I do

the more I learn about that dude the more interesting he seems
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Postby quilty » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:53 pm

one of my old avs was george harrison wearing a william morris coat

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Postby Kenny » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:08 am

Speaking of William Morris this Aeon essay is interesting

https://aeon.co/essays/why-the-utopian- ... 0-70469053
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Postby naturemorte » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:23 am

Julius Sumner Miller wrote:I assume most people saw this kickstarter for the jacobin socialism documentary. The trailer doesn't look great but I donated anyway:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/socialismmovie/socialism-an-american-story/


i know one of the filmmakers behind this and have high hopes!
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dunno where else to post this but this is killing me


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look at this good, not bad, tweet

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Current poll, open to anyone, asking folks to rank their favorite left publications. Found out about quite a few I wasn't aware of and am now following.

Also, you have the option of identifying your primary political perspective as reactionary, militarist, or identitarian, among others.

https://yoshitryba.com/2018/05/29/the-b ... ocialists/

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Postby antoine » Thu May 31, 2018 3:10 pm

Hell yeah Bernie. (Fuck Disney)

The Walt Disney Company is an enormously profitable corporation worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $150 billion. Last year, it made $9 billion in profits and rewarded its CEO, Bob Iger, with a compensation package worth up to $423 million over a four year period. And as a result of the Trump tax cuts, they were given an additional $1.6 billion.

At the same time — and this is a national disgrace — employees at the company’s theme park in Anaheim, California are paid so poorly that many of them are literally living in a tent city not far from the park.

According to one recent study, nearly 1 in 10 workers employed at the park reported being homeless in the past two years, more than 2 in 3 say they are food insecure, and 3 out of 4 employees say they do not make enough money for their basic needs.

This is not what Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are supposed to be about. This does not sound like the “happiest place on Earth” to me.

Now, I could be wrong, but I don’t expect you will see the plight of these low-wage workers at Disney discussed tonight on ABC, which is owned by Disney. Nor do I think you will be hearing too much about income and wealth inequality in the mainstream media.

That is why I am heading to California this weekend to rally with these workers and union organizers fighting to demand that Disney pay all of its workers a living wage.

Those workers could use your support as well:

Please sign my petition to Disney CEO Bob Iger: The greed at the Disney Company has got to end. It is time to pay all Disney employees a living wage of at least $15 per hour. Nothing less.

It is long past time that we, as a nation, stop worshipping the corporate greed of Disney and businessmen like Bob Iger, their CEO.

While he may be regarded as a brilliant and successful businessman among his peers in the financial, media, and political elite, the truth is that the way Bob Iger and Disney treat their workers represents much of what is wrong with contemporary capitalism.

This is a company, and a CEO, that accepted an obscene tax cut gifted to them by the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress, publicly promised to anyone who would listen a $1,000 bonus for all of their employees, and then withheld that bonus from some union employees unless they agreed to a contract that gave them a tiny raise to a wage that is still a starvation wage.

This is a company, and a CEO, that in addition to paying their workers here at home extremely low wages, employs many thousands of people in China to manufacture their products sold at Disney stores and online.

This type of greed and ruthless capitalism is not an economic model that we should be embracing. It is not to be celebrated. We can do better, and we must do better.

That is why this weekend I am heading to California to stand with Disney’s workers and to demand that Disney pay them wages and benefits which allow them to live with dignity and security.

I want to bring your voice with me. Make them hear the outrage that so many of us feel with regard to this type of economic exploitation..

In addition to my event with Disney workers and union leaders, I will visit Carson, California for a town hall with port truck drivers, who handle 40 percent of consumer goods and merchandise imported into our country – and warehouse workers serving the Port of Los Angeles and Long Beach. These are some of the most abused and exploited workers in America, and I intend to support them and demand that they are paid a living wage with decent benefits.

I am also very excited to join Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors and Real Justice co-founder Shaun King for a rally to discuss the steps we must take to radically reform our broken criminal justice system

I hope you will stay tuned to our social media channels for live video from these stops. And I will be in touch when they are over.

The Political Revolution continues.

In solidarity,

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Postby mcwop23 » Thu May 31, 2018 3:12 pm

income inequality and health care

the only thing dems need to run on
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Postby antoine » Thu May 31, 2018 4:12 pm

mcwop23 wrote:income inequality and health care

the only thing dems need to run on

They won't
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Postby walt whitman » Thu May 31, 2018 4:53 pm

yeah income inequality has sort of been the big elephant in the room for libs since time immemorial
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Postby tgk » Thu May 31, 2018 5:00 pm

mcwop23 wrote:income inequality and health care

the only thing dems need to run on


and immigration
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Postby quilty » Thu May 31, 2018 5:05 pm

the dems actually *need* to run on climate change, but no they won’t run on that either

i’m anticipating some cynical early-round wonkoffs about the specifics around various jobs guarantees, before the media takes over and makes it fully about #resisting trump

if bernie runs and sticks to health care i think he might actually win the whole thing though- hope he doesn’t fuck it up
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Postby silverapples » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:40 am

anyone read psychopolitics by byung-chul han?
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