freezinseason wrote:def from above wrote:freezinseason wrote:what does any historical work say about the present? the frustrating thing for radicals is that we constantly have to justify our uses of political thought that is only 56 years old.
no one's asking you to justify your allegiance to this thought.
speaking as a marxist, I'm seriously interested in how it might apply here!
dude come on. now's your chance to win people over. instead of seeing that as a burden, why not embrace it as an opportunity?
i did embrace the opportunity, which is why i linked you all to material on the issue. as a marxist, you should be aware of marx's own opinions on guns and organisation btw.
I'm sorry but telling someone "read!" over and over is not 'embracing an opportunity' to dialogue and enlighten. a true intellectual doesnt hide behind bibliographies but jumps at the chance to engage others and discuss how ideas relate to the real world.
and as a marxist i know that his thoughts on violent revolution were
far more nuanced than you realize. that excerpt you posted is from 1850, fresh from the upheavals of 1848
yet after more than 20 years of additional research under his belt, he noted that:
"But we have not asserted that the ways to achieve that goal [of revolution] are everywhere the same.
You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries -- such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland -- where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means." Speech to The International Working Men's Association, 1872
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/09/08.htmbut let's saw marx was nothing but a rabid gun nut. you still have done nothing but foreclose discussion. youve made it a protected enclave into which admission must be bought through private study. if other radicals/anarchists are like you, then the movement is doomed forever.
What had happen was...