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Postby r m » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:25 pm

While we're on SF, has anyone read the new Ann Leckie book yet?
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Postby moses » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:49 pm

My first vollmann...

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Cant say I enjoyed it...
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Postby mudd » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:53 pm

this is the second time someone here has picked that as their first vollmann.

that should not be your first vollmann. if you don't want to take on a big book, try one of the story collections. the atlas is my favorite.

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Postby chandler » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:58 pm

Warlock - Oakley Hall

don't know how I hadn't heard of this until i picked it up a couple of weeks ago but its commentary on american society and politics sure feels uber relevant to this day

no way the deadwood creators hadn't read this right before they came up with the show
i've been getting really into pestcest too lately. haven't really been able to find much good ant stuff, though. anybody have any links to some good biting vids/pics?
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Postby abs » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:39 pm

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I CANNOT recommend this highly enough.
☽ ☾ ● ◯ ● ☽ ☾

thistle in the kiss
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Postby broodstar » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:01 pm

mann on hitler

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Postby deadbass » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:24 am

I'm currently reading and loving Seiobo There Below. I just finished the chapter with the Christ-painting and I had to stop because the final sentence completely gutted me. It felt like the Twin Peaks finale. This book is a thing of wonder.
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Postby incoherent grunting » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:30 pm

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Uhhhh it's.... good

I finished Lincoln in the Bardo last night - it's so good
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Postby joebagel » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:20 pm

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I'm not a huge art history nerd, but it's impossible to not stumble into John Richardson—I've been running into his documentaries and articles non-stop over the past few months.

Started this the other day. Really brilliant. Amazing anecdotes—he was a contemporary of Picasso's. The biography is supposed to be four volumes long, but he's only written three so far. Trying to finish the fourth... but he's 93 and time's running out :(

Easily the best art writer I've read so far, besides Kirk Varnedoe.
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Postby dvr » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:49 pm

dmitry wrote:finished the first revelation space book. maybe... 5 things actually happen in 600 pages. it's an alright book -- the science is hard, the characters are all pieces of shit, the universe is bleak which is cool for a space opera. it's just that he uses the same pattern for conversations and plot timing and it gets old. it's also his first -- does anyone know if he hones it in a bit in the other revelation spaces? im pretty tempted to just jump into the next book but i dunno, if im gonna read a space opera i should read foundation or something


Oh hey I just finished this today. It took me 5 months, which is less time than it took me to read the first Vernor Vinge. I agree with your thoughts on the book, especially when they all get on the lighthugger. The guns go crazy and the captain rejects treatment, that's it for like 200 pages.Toggle Spoiler

I didn't realize until about halfway through the author was a big name (relative) PhD in astronomy, I probably would have paid more attention and read slower through some of the science. The second half though I really enjoyed all the hard science concepts. Particularly that really the book is all about the Fermi paradoxToggle Spoiler.

Overall, I preferred the first two Vinge books to it. But this is prob the most original book I've ever read. I'm also tempted to jump right into the second.
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Postby hamilton » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:58 pm

Finally diving into
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About 180 pages in and have a couple questions brewing, but I'm sure I'm better off just holding them while I continue reading.
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Postby walt whitman » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:05 pm

niiiiice :)
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Postby theta » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:08 pm

hell yeah hamilton!

i'm back at

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Postby Mr Spaceship » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:12 am

Temple of the Golden Pavilion was so good

thx to whoever recommended
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Postby Dead_Wizard » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:25 am

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Saw it referenced by James Woods re: the Nobel so "Hey!" why not


This is fantastic. Melancholic and grounded in realism, but with some very well done Borgesian flourishes and rock solid storytelling. There's a brief Rashomon like section that is wonderful and done in a way I have never seen before. Quick read too.
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Postby the upland trout » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:45 am

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Postby moses » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:50 am

How is ravicka?
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Postby worrywort » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:15 pm

he's dead
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Postby internetfriend » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:26 pm

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Postby madness and chaos » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:13 pm

white album or slouching toward bethlehem for first didion?
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Postby Hambelt » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:24 pm

Started Fire on the Deep, my first Vinge, last night and am stoked.
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Postby mudd » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:53 pm

eh.

also, haven't read house of ravika but the gladman i did read was really good. calvino-esque, but more characters.

and i guess for didion you specifically want non-fic? becayse play it as it lays is good but i've not read anything else.

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Postby criss elliott » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:25 pm

yeah play it as it lays for fiction or white album for nonfiction but cant really go wrong imo.

anyone watched the doc yet?
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Postby dvr » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:02 pm

dvr wrote:
dmitry wrote:finished the first revelation space book. maybe... 5 things actually happen in 600 pages. it's an alright book -- the science is hard, the characters are all pieces of shit, the universe is bleak which is cool for a space opera. it's just that he uses the same pattern for conversations and plot timing and it gets old. it's also his first -- does anyone know if he hones it in a bit in the other revelation spaces? im pretty tempted to just jump into the next book but i dunno, if im gonna read a space opera i should read foundation or something


Oh hey I just finished this today. It took me 5 months, which is less time than it took me to read the first Vernor Vinge. I agree with your thoughts on the book, especially when they all get on the lighthugger. The guns go crazy and the captain rejects treatment, that's it for like 200 pages.Toggle Spoiler

I didn't realize until about halfway through the author was a big name (relative) PhD in astronomy, I probably would have paid more attention and read slower through some of the science. The second half though I really enjoyed all the hard science concepts. Particularly that really the book is all about the Fermi paradoxToggle Spoiler.

Overall, I preferred the first two Vinge books to it. But this is prob the most original book I've ever read. I'm also tempted to jump right into the second.


I picked up chasm city today.
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Postby the upland trout » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:28 pm

moses wrote:How is ravicka?


It's very good. I'm about 25 pages in and... I'd say that the narrative feels slightly more conventional so far, but it's also a bit weirder than the previous books. Lots of invented surveying technologies and theories, which is a lot of fun.

I love Gladman's Ravicka novels.
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Postby freezinseason » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:35 pm

hows the fourier stuff?
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Postby the upland trout » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:49 pm

Fourier is really fun. I just finished The Hierarchies of Cuckoldry and Bankruptcy and it is hilarious. Still working through the editor's introduction to The Theory of the Four Movements, but everything I have read about Fourier makes him sound super interesting and bizarre. Apparently the aurora borealis is the seminal fluids of the Earth when it gets horny and wants to copulate.
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Postby freezinseason » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:59 pm

the upland trout wrote:Fourier is really fun. I just finished The Hierarchies of Cuckoldry and Bankruptcy and it is hilarious. Still working through the editor's introduction to The Theory of the Four Movements, but everything I have read about Fourier makes him sound super interesting and bizarre. Apparently the aurora borealis is the seminal fluids of the Earth when it gets horny and wants to copulate.


that's hot. hes been on my list for a while as have many of the other pre-marxist socialists

If in Saint-Simon we find a comprehensive breadth of view, by virtue of which almost all the ideas of later Socialists that are not strictly economic are found in him in embryo, we find in Fourier a criticism of the existing conditions of society, genuinely French and witty, but not upon that account any the less thorough. Fourier takes the bourgeoisie, their inspired prophets before the Revolution, and their interested eulogists after it, at their own word. He lays bare remorselessly the material and moral misery of the bourgeois world. He confronts it with the earlier philosophers’ dazzling promises of a society in which reason alone should reign, of a civilization in which happiness should be universal, of an illimitable human perfectibility, and with the rose-colored phraseology of the bourgeois ideologists of his time. He points out how everywhere the most pitiful reality corresponds with the most high-sounding phrases, and he overwhelms this hopeless fiasco of phrases with his mordant sarcasm.

Fourier is not only a critic, his imperturbably serene nature makes him a satirist, and assuredly one of the greatest satirists of all time. He depicts, with equal power and charm, the swindling speculations that blossomed out upon the downfall of the Revolution, and the shopkeeping spirit prevalent in, and characteristic of, French commerce at that time. Still more masterly is his criticism of the bourgeois form of the relations between sexes, and the position of woman in bourgeois society. He was the first to declare that in any given society the degree of woman’s emancipation is the natural measure of the general emancipation.

But Fourier is at his greatest in his conception of the history of society. He divides its whole course, thus far, into four stages of evolution – savagery, barbarism, the patriarchate, civilization. This last is identical with the so-called civil, or bourgeois, society of today – i.e., with the social order that came in with the 16th century. He proves “that the civilized stage raises every vice practiced by barbarism in a simple fashion into a form of existence, complex, ambiguous, equivocal, hypocritical” – that civilization moves “in a vicious circle”, in contradictions which it constantly reproduces without being able to solve them; hence it constantly arrives at the very opposite to that which it wants to attain, or pretends to want to attain, so that, e.g., “under civilization poverty is born of superabundance itself”.

Fourier, as we see, uses the dialectic method in the same masterly way as his contemporary, Hegel. Using these same dialectics, he argues against talk about illimitable human perfectibility, that every historical phase has its period of ascent and also its period of descent, and he applies this observation to the future of the whole human race. As Kant introduced into natural science the idea of the ultimate destruction of the Earth, Fourier introduced into historical science that of the ultimate destruction of the human race.


Engels on fourier :D
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Postby the upland trout » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:09 pm

That is awesome. What Engels text is that?

I've been interested in getting into the pre-Marxist socialists and utopian socialists as well. I would like to find a good intellectual history of all of that.

Not pre-Marxist, but have you read Paul Scheerbart?
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Postby freezinseason » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:15 pm

the upland trout wrote:That is awesome. What Engels text is that?

I've been interested in getting into the pre-Marxist socialists and utopian socialists as well. I would like to find a good intellectual history of all of that.

Not pre-Marxist, but have you read Paul Scheerbart?


not heard of scheerbart.

the engels text is "socialism: utopianism and scientific". the quote is in chapter one, he covers a few other utopian socialists too, mostly saint-simon and robert owen.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/w ... p/ch01.htm
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