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Postby john plainman » Thu May 17, 2018 11:31 am

mortimer wrote:i'm 'jewish' and i would never use that word as flippantly as you have

do what you want

doesn't really seem like a good direction for this particular thread, though


what does seem like a good direction for this thread?
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Postby identikit » Thu May 17, 2018 11:32 am

you are American, I suppose? yea I realize you guys don't do a lot of things. amazing, the differences,between German Austrian Jews in particular and Americans, aren't they.

yea see obvioulsy I struggle with a good direction on Israel Still Dicks. If you could guide me, that would be nice.
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Postby mortimer » Thu May 17, 2018 11:34 am

identikit wrote:you are American, I suppose? yea I realize you guys don't do a lot of things. amazing, the differences,between German Austrian Jews in particular and Americans, aren't they.

yea see obvioulsy I struggle with a good direction on Israel Still Dicks. If you could guide me, that would be nice.

are american jews not real jews now? not sure i follow.

most american jews are first or second generation americans. is that ok with you?

but yes, using a charged word like KIKE like it's nothing after a bunch of shitty posts like lockheed's certainly seems like a pretty fucking bad direction. i guess i'm new to this tone policing business, identikit. can you help me out?
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Postby john plainman » Thu May 17, 2018 11:34 am

this thread would make more sense if we also had a 100 page thread on saudi arabia's treatment of yemen, i suppose.
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Postby Kenny » Thu May 17, 2018 11:35 am

john plainman wrote:this thread would make more sense if we also had a 100 page thread on saudi arabia's treatment of yemen, i suppose.


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Postby Daft Pun » Thu May 17, 2018 11:36 am

we tone policing in here?
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Postby identikit » Thu May 17, 2018 11:36 am

mortimer wrote:
identikit wrote:you are American, I suppose? yea I realize you guys don't do a lot of things. amazing, the differences,between German Austrian Jews in particular and Americans, aren't they.

yea see obvioulsy I struggle with a good direction on Israel Still Dicks. If you could guide me, that would be nice.

are american jews not real jews now? not sure i follow.

most american jews are first or second generation americans. is that ok with you?

nono, that is not what I meant at all. But our experience is vastly different. Americans, jews and otherwise, use language a tiny bit different. especially when it comes to slurs, stereotypes and hatespeech.

As for the direction of this thread - including lockheed's posts, I think we are all able to address issues we have with whatever posts. I believe that direction is, hm, more honest, than trying to tiptoe? I might be wrong, though. I honestly didn*t think for a second about using the term or not, since I use and hear it daily, I probably should have.
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Postby ecto » Thu May 17, 2018 11:38 am

"chuck schumer is a big piece of shit." so true for me.
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Postby john plainman » Thu May 17, 2018 11:42 am

Kenny wrote:
john plainman wrote:this thread would make more sense if we also had a 100 page thread on saudi arabia's treatment of yemen, i suppose.




he brings up a good point, imo
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Postby john plainman » Thu May 17, 2018 11:42 am

other than the traditional moral values
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Postby Kenny » Thu May 17, 2018 11:44 am

I do a weekly round up on news re: Yemen. The spoiler alert is that it's hugely dire
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Postby a-10 warthog champion » Thu May 17, 2018 11:45 am

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bunejug wrote:Hmm as an Israeli who worked at the UN, (and is a little bit sympathetic to Israel, though of course not to this administration), what Lockheed is describing seems a little bit hyperbolic. Israel deserves the level of scrutiny it receives at the UN, but having that forum used so frequently to point out injustices committed by Israel is what makes so many Jews and Israelis skeptical of the motives behind resolutions. The resolutions have mostly been effective in alienating Israel, unfortunately. That means that the UN as an institution has lost its legitimacy for a population that really could benefit from listening and engaging in good faith with other member states (and stop committing such heinous crimes).

This conflict really isn’t that simple. I understand why Israelis want their capitol to be recognized by the US and the world, but this embassy move is so careless and will have deleterious effects on any progress made lately in the peace process. As citizens of a young nation, international condemnation is processed in a different manner than for citizens of older, more established colonial powers. A lot of critics of Israel seem incapable of acknowledging the level of emotional involvement in nation-building that citizens of a younger state have, especially under the circumstances that the state was created in. Using rhetoric like genocide and apartheid (which I agree with) amongst supporters of the regime is obviously unproductive and a good conversation ender. Steering the conversation over these atrocities towards how you all are socially stigmatized by Jews seems a little self-indulgent. Hope y’all don’t get painted as office anti-semites! That’s the true tragedy of this conflict.

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Postby john plainman » Thu May 17, 2018 11:47 am

Kenny wrote:I do a weekly round up on news re: Yemen. The spoiler alert is that it's hugely dire


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big zorb wrote:Does the American population even care about Yemen? Do Democrats need to have a hawkish record on this? Why am I bothering to ask?


i think the average american has no idea what's happening in yemen. like none whatsoever. most people have probably never heard of yemen.
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Postby howiep » Thu May 17, 2018 12:01 pm

I do not know a lot about Yemen.
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Postby hotdogs » Thu May 17, 2018 12:06 pm

yo i dont know anything about nonprofits or fundraising and shit. im also VERY ignorant of many facets of this incredibly complex situation. can i have a bake sale and donate all the profits to the PCRF? can i pass out BDS pamphlets at the farmers market? what areas/authors of discourse can i trust that wont have me parroting antisemitic rhetoric? i live in the south so i will most assuredly have a (white, baptist) solider of god beat my ass for doing any of these things. or will attract neonazis. how can i win over the former and avoid being associated with the latter? sorry for barging in and making an extremely white guy post. im just disgusted and want to help in whatever small way i can. tone sincere
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Postby identikit » Thu May 17, 2018 12:11 pm

I don't know about any American nonprofits that are neither Jewish nor antisemitic, would be curious about it.

I'm in with these guys, or rather was while in the US, had nothing but great experiences with everyone I met there.

https://ifnotnowmovement.org/
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Postby mortimer » Thu May 17, 2018 12:12 pm

hotdogs wrote:yo i dont know anything about nonprofits or fundraising and shit. im also VERY ignorant of many facets of this incredibly complex situation. can i have a bake sale and donate all the profits to the PCRF? can i pass out BDS pamphlets at the farmers market? what areas/authors of discourse can i trust that wont have me parroting antisemitic rhetoric? i live in the south so i will most assuredly have a (white, baptist) solider of god beat my ass for doing any of these things. or will attract neonazis. how can i win over the former and avoid being associated with the latter? sorry for barging in and making an extremely white guy post. im just disgusted and want to help in whatever small way i can. tone sincere

well, you're going to be considered an antisemite by a certain group of people regardless, but I think a little common sense will help you figure out the difference between criticism of Israel and unfair criticism of Jewish people.
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Postby Feech La Manna » Thu May 17, 2018 12:15 pm

john plainman wrote:this thread would make more sense if we also had a 100 page thread on saudi arabia's treatment of yemen, i suppose.


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Postby Daft Pun » Thu May 17, 2018 12:21 pm

john plainman wrote:this thread would make more sense if we also had a 100 page thread on saudi arabia's treatment of yemen, i suppose.


you know you can create threads right? see how it goes, i'll post innit
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Postby laserblast » Thu May 17, 2018 12:26 pm

hotdogs wrote:yo i dont know anything about nonprofits or fundraising and shit. im also VERY ignorant of many facets of this incredibly complex situation. can i have a bake sale and donate all the profits to the PCRF? can i pass out BDS pamphlets at the farmers market? what areas/authors of discourse can i trust that wont have me parroting antisemitic rhetoric? i live in the south so i will most assuredly have a (white, baptist) solider of god beat my ass for doing any of these things. or will attract neonazis. how can i win over the former and avoid being associated with the latter? sorry for barging in and making an extremely white guy post. im just disgusted and want to help in whatever small way i can. tone sincere


i cannot vouch for every word of this but the DSA has a jewish caucus. they wrote some shit. some of it is very critical of anti-semitism on the left! so maybe start here. then read some more.

https://medium.com/jewish-socialism/dsa-jewish-solidarity-caucus-a26f94f9212a
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Postby john plainman » Thu May 17, 2018 12:30 pm

I leave the thread creation to the experts
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Postby hotdogs » Thu May 17, 2018 12:32 pm

thank you for the responses!
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Postby Autarch » Thu May 17, 2018 3:10 pm

laserblast wrote:
hotdogs wrote:yo i dont know anything about nonprofits or fundraising and shit. im also VERY ignorant of many facets of this incredibly complex situation. can i have a bake sale and donate all the profits to the PCRF? can i pass out BDS pamphlets at the farmers market? what areas/authors of discourse can i trust that wont have me parroting antisemitic rhetoric? i live in the south so i will most assuredly have a (white, baptist) solider of god beat my ass for doing any of these things. or will attract neonazis. how can i win over the former and avoid being associated with the latter? sorry for barging in and making an extremely white guy post. im just disgusted and want to help in whatever small way i can. tone sincere


i cannot vouch for every word of this but the DSA has a jewish caucus. they wrote some shit. some of it is very critical of anti-semitism on the left! so maybe start here. then read some more.

https://medium.com/jewish-socialism/dsa-jewish-solidarity-caucus-a26f94f9212a


this looks cool.

also, definitely agree with mortimer, re: using the word kike. I don't want to end up in a world where I have to explain to stupid gentile-americans that just because they heard a jew using the word, that doesn't make it ok for them to use.
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Postby john plainman » Thu May 17, 2018 5:58 pm

Autarch wrote:
laserblast wrote:
hotdogs wrote:yo i dont know anything about nonprofits or fundraising and shit. im also VERY ignorant of many facets of this incredibly complex situation. can i have a bake sale and donate all the profits to the PCRF? can i pass out BDS pamphlets at the farmers market? what areas/authors of discourse can i trust that wont have me parroting antisemitic rhetoric? i live in the south so i will most assuredly have a (white, baptist) solider of god beat my ass for doing any of these things. or will attract neonazis. how can i win over the former and avoid being associated with the latter? sorry for barging in and making an extremely white guy post. im just disgusted and want to help in whatever small way i can. tone sincere


i cannot vouch for every word of this but the DSA has a jewish caucus. they wrote some shit. some of it is very critical of anti-semitism on the left! so maybe start here. then read some more.

https://medium.com/jewish-socialism/dsa-jewish-solidarity-caucus-a26f94f9212a


this looks cool.

also, definitely agree with mortimer, re: using the word kike. I don't want to end up in a world where I have to explain to stupid gentile-americans that just because they heard a jew using the word, that doesn't make it ok for them to use.


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Postby clwon » Thu May 17, 2018 6:06 pm

jews shouldn't use that word either

also that DSA statement was written undemocratically and there are points I would have made if they'd shared it later than 8am PST
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Postby clwon » Thu May 17, 2018 6:08 pm

identikit wrote:I don't know about any American nonprofits that are neither Jewish nor antisemitic, would be curious about it.

I'm in with these guys, or rather was while in the US, had nothing but great experiences with everyone I met there.

https://ifnotnowmovement.org/


this group refuses to call itself anti-Zionist or endorse the BDS movement and do not explain themselves when asked about either

IMO these are better orgs to support:

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

https://bdsmovement.net/

https://map.org.uk/
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Postby Autarch » Thu May 17, 2018 6:12 pm

clwon wrote:jews shouldn't use that word either

also that DSA statement was written undemocratically and there are points I would have made if they'd shared it later than 8am PST


Yeah, that's why I was saying I agreed w Mortimer. What points would you have made if they shared it later.?
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Postby freezinseason » Thu May 17, 2018 6:45 pm

john plainman wrote:this thread would make more sense if we also had a 100 page thread on saudi arabia's treatment of yemen, i suppose.


lol we can't even have a thread on north korea without people chiming in to support america. why would a yemen thread be any better.
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