ISRAEL/PALESTINE: THE THREAD

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Postby Jimmy Firecracker » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:48 pm

quit normalizing Bibi, surly!
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Postby dr. badvibes » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:58 pm

Likud Snake and the Shame of Moses Incident
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Postby clouds » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:58 pm

u evil bb?
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Postby internethandle » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:00 pm

can it be in all caps again pls thx
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:18 am

def from above wrote:just like when criticism of Israel's 'fucked up govt' smuggles in unintended(?) tropes or language that is itself antisemitic and encourages suspicion of the very existence of sovereign jewish society in that part of the world.


Excuse me? Being against the existence of Israel is not antisemitic. That’s blatant conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. By definition, a ‘sovereign Jewish society in that part of the world’ is a racist endeavour which requires the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population, so of course any leftist should be ‘suspicious’ of it. Many Jews do not support such a thing.

Title change is pathetic and sad. Hipinion, like most of the English-speaking ‘left’ continues to be clueless about Israel and marginalise all critics of it. I supported a change of title, but to something more critical of Israel, not a cop out. Like ‘BREAKING: ISRAEL STILL FUNDAMENTALLY A FASCIST THEOCRATIC COLONIAL ETHNOSTATE FOUNDED BY TERRORISM AND GENOCIDE’
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Postby deep blue meanies » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:22 am

free Palestine
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:53 am

I didn't mean to ask for a thread title as a wedge to shut down discussion. I am very much for a free palestine and anti-colonization and think the Israeli government is terrible, and I think this thread is a really good read and I think it's good to stay aware of the shitty problems that are happening in Israel.

I just thought the thread, by Totally being in caps and being sarcastic about how Israel as a whole are dicks (and that it's no surprise!!!) was getting a little old and if you read the first few pages of the thread I don't really think this thread got to be about good faith discussion for quite a while.

Totally's second post itt:
Totally wrote:TALK ABOUT A DIVISION OF JOY...



I'm not going to be pushing for anything else to change about the thread but the thread title was dated and I'm not coming for guns or the bible next
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Postby Hoxha » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:21 am

This board is beyond parody at this point.
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:03 am

This board always complains about how the Democrats are milquetoast centrists, and chuck schumer’s support of Israel etc.

Then you censor ‘ISRAEL ARE DICKS’ because it’s offensive to the brave people of Israel or whatever

Ocasio-Cortez’s capitulation showed that when it comes to foreign policy, there is no ‘American left’. The only place you can defend Palestinians without being ostracised from the community in America is neo-nazi forums (ironically where netanyahu’s son gets his memes).

The first few pages of this thread...didn’t mites apologise for his posts? Didn’t want to be on the bad side of the board zionists I suppose.

Petty will probably vote Tory (or green!) once Corbyn has been labelled an anti-Semite enough.

Americans continue to be so brainfucked as a people it’s impossible to communicate with them about Israel.

The board’s ‘leftists’ continue to be a circus of moral weaklings
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:07 am

Are supporters of BDS welcome on this forum? After all, it’s a boycott of the state of Israel, not Netanyahu/Likud. Per new board policy, it is therefore anti-Semitic.
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:16 am

Woah, a whole field of strawmen
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:19 am

totally named this thread
totally has a history of delivering premium board reactionary content
totally's second post in this thread is a joke about Nazi concentration camps which kept Jewish women for being raped by Nazis
Thread title change request: CENSORSHIP
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:24 am

Kenny wrote:totally named this thread
totally has a history of delivering premium board reactionary content
totally's second post in this thread is referencing Nazi concentration camps which kept Jewish women for being raped by Nazis
Thread title change request: CENSORSHIP


Ah there’s the old blairite/Tory IRHA rules you love so much Kenny. Can’t talk about nazis in the same topic as Israel. Is that another new board policy? (That’s not a rhetorical question, that’s a rule on a lot of message boards)
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:25 am

What the fuck are you talking about dude? I am not a blairite, I love Jeremy Corbyn and have defended him as not an anti-semite in the politics thread. I did make one post that was critical of him tho!

None of this has anything to do with this, though:
Kenny wrote:totally named this thread
totally has a history of delivering premium board reactionary content
totally's second post in this thread is a joke about Nazi concentration camps which kept Jewish women for being raped by Nazis
Thread title change request: CENSORSHIP
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:38 am

And your post has nothing to do with why the thread name was changed. The thread name was not changed because totally is an asshole. The thread name was changed to correct the notion that Palestinian genocide is a fundamental feature of the Israeli state, but rather that it’s due to one man and his party, which did not even exist when Palestinian genocide began. This is false, and a belief that comes from American susceptibility to Israeli and right-wing propaganda
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:40 am

No, that's not why it was changed. See my post above yours for why I asked it to be changed

See this post where I've been called an Anti-semite because I was considering boycotting visiting Israel
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:50 am

I’m looking at the post and I can’t see any reasons for a title change in it? You reference the thread creator and another post he made in the thread, not the title.

The current thread title is monumentally more offensive than the previous one. For the reasons I outlined above, and because it’s labelled ‘Israeli Politics’ - no mention of Palestine, because the American view is that the region is called ‘Israel’, has always been Israel, and Palestine doesn’t or shouldn’t exist.

Are you happy with the new title, Kenny?
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:52 am

I'm happy the title was changed, I'm happy for it to be changed again if it doesn't satisfy.

I would be happy for the thread to say FREE PALESTINE in all caps, or anything else that would support anti-colonialism measures and pro-Palestinian rights and also didn't smack of antisemitism by a boarder who's next post is a joke about the holocaust. Not discussion of the Nazis but a joke about how the Nazis exterminated millions of Jews and raped Jewish women.
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:57 am

To clarify, does the phrase ‘ISRAEL STILL DICKS’ inherently smack of antisemitism, or is it only because of the person who posted it? If the latter, why did it need to be changed? And why are you happy with it being changed to something more offensive?
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:58 am

I don't get why you ask me "if the latter, why did it need to be changed?" every post I've done in this thread is about why I felt it needed to be changed because it was the latter.
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Postby Guffaw » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:00 am

Holy shit it was delgriffith who wrote this new title

I’m literally loling

POTUS trump thread’s resident ‘radical’ who loves to stick it to the dems and Obama! Here to stand up for zionist’s Feelings!

You’ve been living in America too long lad
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Postby Kenny » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:02 am

So what you're saying is that you were making all your posts itt without knowing what happened and are now going back to fill in the details
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Postby mcwop23 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:13 am

surly wrote:you can only fit so many characters in a thread title



we used to have sub titties on this board
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Postby The Dirty Turtle » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:18 am

the potus thread should probably be re-named to be a broader indictment of the us
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Postby mcwop23 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 am

THE US HAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, A DUMPSTER FIRE: POTUS THREAD
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Postby The Dirty Turtle » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:24 am

yes
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Postby Cronos » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:39 am

We did it. America is saved.
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Postby delgriffith » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:04 am

Guffaw wrote:Title change is pathetic and sad. Hipinion, like most of the English-speaking ‘left’ continues to be clueless about Israel and marginalise all critics of it. I supported a change of title, but to something more critical of Israel, not a cop out. Like ‘BREAKING: ISRAEL STILL FUNDAMENTALLY A FASCIST THEOCRATIC COLONIAL ETHNOSTATE FOUNDED BY TERRORISM AND GENOCIDE’

This one doesn't fit.
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Postby gucci man » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:41 am

I'm not trying to rock the boat of being a privileged member of hpn but the title change is unnecessary bs. blasting unarmed people = being dicks :(
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