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Postby light rail coyote » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:19 pm

kirito wrote:it's almost as if the people that are upset don't actually listen to the show


i listen to the podcast and enjoy it most of the time and i am disappointed that they'd stoop to such a cheap, ugly joke and that they've reacted to the criticism so poorly, even if the last part isn't super surprising since that's been kind of an ongoing issue with them.

the jared fogle jokes are pretty dumb but i don't put them in the same category because the question of holding prominent men accountable for sexually assaulting women is unfortunately much more controversial than a child molester. it's unambiguous where they're going with it. there's ambiguity with a bill cosby joke whether they realize it or not and their not realizing that is the tone-deafness that people are criticizing.
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Postby shankly » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:20 pm

“Irony poisoned” is a nice euphemism for having a shitty sense of humor
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Postby object » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:24 pm

they're always saying "this guy is great," "love this guy," "this guy rules" about all kinds of ghouls and monsters, from Henry Kissinger to Jared Fogle. It's pretty transparently an irony thing in the same vein as weird twitter generally. Is it bad taste? Of course. Should they be jettisoned from public life? Nah.
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Postby light rail coyote » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:24 pm

i also don't know what the difference is between the jared fogle jokes and, say, a cbb bit where gino talks about being fucked by a bunch of priests and why chapo is controversial for that while the cbb bit is written off as being wacky other than the fact than jon gabrus is a better comedian than the chapo guys.
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Postby shankly » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:27 pm

They aren’t playing characters. They want to be taken seriously about politics and also make bad rape jokes and those things don’t really mix, especially since they’re such amateurish performers
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Postby endless dave » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:28 pm

Mister E wrote:
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kirito wrote:why would context matter?


what's the context


They get shitfaced when they travel places as a group and are all irony poisoned. The intention in their heads when they were doing what they did is far different than the intention you're making up in yours and getting angry about. It was really stupid but people often do really stupid things while drunk and stoned out of their minds. It was absolutely a shit joke and a dumb thing to do but come on.


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Postby object » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:29 pm

shankly wrote:They aren’t playing characters. They want to be taken seriously about politics and also make bad rape jokes and those things don’t really mix, especially since they’re such amateurish performers


I'm not so sure about this.
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Postby light rail coyote » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:32 pm

shankly wrote:They aren’t playing characters. They want to be taken seriously about politics and also make bad rape jokes and those things don’t really mix, especially since they’re such amateurish performers


i don't think the fact that it's coming from a character changes the substance of a bit.

the latter point is agreeable but i don't see what the former changes.
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Postby mattstan » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:42 pm

The tweet was bad
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Postby Mister E » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:24 pm

I interpreted it more as a shitty joke about how that monster still has a hollywood star but I missed the whole doubling down thing I guess, I was not extremely online today. It was a real shitty tweet. I've kinda created a caricature that's probably only half accurate of trouble and endless dave types hating the show but loving the drama around it and picking out every transgression and trying to convince others not to like a (mostly positive outside of the occasionally offensive shit) thing.

Being fucked up doesn't excuse being a piece of shit but I think "why would context matter" is a little off too. Extreme irony's part of their thing and it's real easy to go overboard with it and fuck yourself over once you've gotten yourself a large platform and this'll be one of the many growing pains in that process. In my dumbass mind I still think their hearts are in the right place and I'll continue to support them because they make me laugh and have helped me reframe some of the bullshit that's been happening and give me a tiny bit of hope that we can push back against it. This post is garbage.
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Postby internetstrange » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:28 pm

"irony poisoned" is so stupid as a concept, let alone as a defense

"if only i had never taken a look behind the curtain...if only i hadnt thought about stuff so much, so that i could enjoy it sincerely, like all the normies do..."
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Postby Late Bloomer » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:34 pm

Klint wrote:I'm not mad at these dudes. I just thought it was a bad tweet at a very bad time.


This is my take too. Won't stop listening or anything, but jeez this was bad timing and really tone deaf.

Isn't the guy who posted it the LA DSA dude who was on the live Chicago show a few month ago? Because I remember thinking that he seemed pretty obnoxious and unfunny, so not hugely surprised I guess.
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Postby axelrod gunnarson » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:37 pm

gonna cancel my grey wolf, but only because that anime parody from last ep was so bad.
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Postby endless dave » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:46 pm

mister e, would it surprise you that I sometimes listen to the show, but I just don't feel the need to try to explain away and intellectualize some overpaid dorks as they somehow still find a way to here and there take gross pot shots often at the expense of women and minorities

apologies if I don't get The Discourse though. if you want a foil, I could wait until, I dunno, Jon Favreau makes fun of gay people or something and tell you that he was just kidding and actually it's a bit in Pod Save America and well you know, it was a live taping so maybe they were drunk
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Postby endless dave » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:59 pm

lest it be misinterpreted: I think anyone who is part of a successful podcast is an overpaid dork
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Postby cocoon man » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:00 pm

object wrote:they're always saying "this guy is great," "love this guy," "this guy rules" about all kinds of ghouls and monsters, from Henry Kissinger to Jared Fogle. It's pretty transparently an irony thing in the same vein as weird twitter generally. Is it bad taste? Of course. Should they be jettisoned from public life? Nah.


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Postby charlottepipe » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:10 pm

really bad time to be posting this kind of nonsense. should have picked a day when nobody got raped.
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Postby Late Bloomer » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:12 pm

I also just took a peek at Twitter for the first time since this went down and it looks like Will is just unreservedly apologizing for it without seeming defensive or making up excuses or saying “I was drunk!” or whatever. Good for him, I suppose.
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Postby naturemorte » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:15 pm

Late Bloomer wrote:
Klint wrote:I'm not mad at these dudes. I just thought it was a bad tweet at a very bad time.


This is my take too. Won't stop listening or anything, but jeez this was bad timing and really tone deaf.

Isn't the guy who posted it the LA DSA dude who was on the live Chicago show a few month ago? Because I remember thinking that he seemed pretty obnoxious and unfunny, so not hugely surprised I guess.


also the guy who tried to run for sheriff i wrote about in (one of the) other chapo thread(s)
he's actually been a good organizer (at least of the agit-prop committee, which is pretty much the extent of my experience with him) but in realizing that his persona is not all that compatible with his politics he has been, uh, slow on the uptake
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Postby BannedByAddisonAMA » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:25 pm

shankly wrote:outside of amber (and possibly matt?), i don't think any of them really see politics as anything other than a venue to dunk on people on the internet. but if their show gets some people to get involved beyond just posting it's probably a net positive. just keep giving a platform to the tim fausts of the world.


This is my take beyond "it's (extremely hit or miss) entertainment."
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Postby goofy's dead wife » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:59 pm

man, chapo just equaled avgn in number of episodes produced. no wonder this is happening again.
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Postby inspectorhound » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Stav would never take a picture with the Cosby star
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Postby husbands » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:09 pm

inspectorhound wrote:Stav would never take a picture with the Cosby star


whatever man this shit's boring who cares
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Postby trouble » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:11 pm

This really put the breaks on a growing conspiracy on the chapo subreddit that John Lovett cut out most of what Felix said on his podcast.
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Postby hopped » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:12 pm

yeah doing jokes about this being an overreaction (cf. e1) are lame. apologize and move on, prove the people who arent accepting your apology wrong
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Postby object » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:13 pm

disband the dsa
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Postby gambra » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:14 pm

Speaking of the chapo subreddit it's good to see a place that's getting sick of their shit too, might be the only "fan" sub that isn't a devotional cult.
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Postby trouble » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:35 pm

looks like husbands is battling with quartz over the thread title again

might be time to bump the official thread
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