MARVEL Movies - Phase 2

[j_brooks]

maria hill revealing herself as a skrull would be a pretty good post-credits stinger

[Amblin]

Do Fox's X-Men or FF rights ever expire like the Spider-Man ones were going to for Sony before the reboot?

[j_brooks]

yeah if they go x number of years without a movie being put into development the rights revert back to marvel

but the enormously quick turnaround on the spider-man movie illustrates why that will never happen

marvel does own punisher again but that's just because it's a lower-tier character that's already kinda had too many chances

[j_brooks]

spider-man and the x-men i think probably belong to fox forever

daredevil and the FF probably do too but a perfect storm of development hell and a soft market for comic book movies could potentially see one or both of them revert to marvel one day

the ability to use the FF library of characters and/or the hand would be an extraordinary boon for the marvel studios shared universe

[virile]

man that trailer is totally sick
so pumped

[Hal Jordan]

Pretty sure ff reverts if another movie isn't made soon, too.

[Architecture]

spider-man and the x-men i think probably belong to fox forever

daredevil and the FF probably do too but a perfect storm of development hell and a soft market for comic book movies could potentially see one or both of them revert to marvel one day

the ability to use the FF library of characters and/or the hand would be an extraordinary boon for the marvel studios shared universe

Sony owns Spidey and Ghost Rider, Fox owns X-Men and FF

[badhat]

just watched that trailer 3 times in a row with the kid.

loud.

psyched.

[Architecture]

New trailer is fucking insane

Hulk catching Iron Man and riding the side of a skyscraper is retardedly awesome

[badhat]

really cant think of a more inspired choice to helm this than whedon.

[KPH]

Can't wait

[Beyerstein]

yeah if they go x number of years without a movie being put into development the rights revert back to marvel

but the enormously quick turnaround on the spider-man movie illustrates why that will never happen

marvel does own punisher again but that's just because it's a lower-tier character that's already kinda had too many chances

but they dont have to actually produce anything. they just have to have it 'in development'

basically marvel will never get those movie rights back unless they end up buying them back

[Architecture]

Is it even conceivable that they'll broker some sort of deal which will enable the brands to co-mingle even though they're owned by multiple studios?

You have to imagine that both Sony and Fox would love to have a slice of that Avengers tie-in pie

[reversemigraine]

Naturally Fox and Sony would love a piece of the pie, but would Paramount want to share its profits? They'd have to be pretty confident that an Avengers 2 movie would make so much more money with the addition of Jackman or Garfield than it would without them before they'd agree to split the pot. And those are really the only two things you could put in a sequel that would be worth the cost -- Pietro and Wanda aren't enough, the Kree and Skrulls aren't enough, etc.

Really, really hoping that an agreement with Sony has already happened and will be announced immediately after opening weekend of The Avengers, because there's no reason why the script for Amazing Spider-Man couldn't have been written with an agreement in mind and no reason why explicit mentions to characters or events couldn't be dropped in during reshoots.

Not only would the Avengers franchise get access to Spider-Man at that point, but they'd also get Osborn.

[Architecture]

Does Paramount have an exclusive deal with Marvel Studios? You'd figure that Disney would muscle their way in and release the movies via Touchstone or whomever

[reversemigraine]

The one other factor that could persuade Marvel and Paramount to hand over a few points of its profits to Fox is Downey's departure. If he decides he's done after Iron Man 3, you know they'll pay big bucks to ensure that Wolverine has a role in an Avengers sequel.

[reversemigraine]

I don't know what the relationship is -- I guess it is more of a Marvel Studios issue at this point than a Paramount issue. Universal did distribute The Incredible Hulk, and I don't know what went into making sure he was in The Avengers.

[Architecture]

Is it even possible he'd not do Avengers 2?

They could always go the Iron Man: Director of SHIELD route

[reversemigraine]

Ah, Disney's actually handling everything now, but their buyout allows Paramount to still put their logo on The Avengers and Iron Man 3. Marvel is the studio of record on all the Avengers-related movies.

Doesn't really answer the bigger questions, but still.

[Architecture]

Universal was the studio behind Ang Lee's Hulk, so that's probably why they got distro rights for the Norton flick

[j_brooks]

at some point in the not too distant future, RDJ is just going to straight up be too old for the role

after probably like one more iron man movie and one more avengers movie i'm not sure anyone's desire to see him continue in the role is going to match up with what it would cost to keep him onboard, and that's assuming he'll even be open to the idea of continuing

that said i really don't think having spider-man or wolverine as actual members of the team is ever going to be an option, i think marvel would reboot it's film universe long before ever having to worry about handing over the keys to the kingdom to fox in order to get an x-men character with no obvious ties to the marvel studios universe in their film

i guess i could maybe see like an avengers vs. x-men movie or something like that where it's literally franchise vs. franchise and not just one or two characters being shoehorned into an existing one

but i still think the most elegant solution is

1 - The Avengers
2 - The Avengers 2: Civil War
3 - The New Avengers

[Architecture]

I just can't fathom a Civil War movie

Then again, if you'd asked me a decade ago if we'd see an Avengers film after a bunch of stand-alone hero flicks, I'd have probably called you crazy

[reversemigraine]

Don't think it could play out exactly the same way, but I could definitely see registration being an issue in the background and slowly building throughout the course of the movie (as the characters have to handle some more superficial threat, like Ultron or someone else who couldn't be a legit film antagonist on their own) and resulting in a major rift by the end, which has to be patched up in the third film.

[j_brooks]

i think you could definitely hang a film on ultron as the antagonist, it's just tough to do if you haven't established the pyms as characters yet

i think to do civil war all you really have to do is have clark gregg running around in the background of iron man 3 bugging tony about the registration act while he's wrapped up in the main plot of hitting rock bottom with his alcoholism, and in the end as he's bouncing back and getting sober, tie in his support of the law with his recovery and desire to redeem himself and prove his value to the world

give the registration act lip service in captain america 2 and then just hit the ground running with a civil war movie

the plot would absolutely have to be different - i think the spider-man role of the naive POV character who ends up switching sides might have to be cap, given that he won't have spent enough time in the present day to be able to go toe-to-toe on this stuff with tony. probably have to do thor vs. iron man in the beginning with cap caught in the middle and then eventually culminate with the big cap vs. tony knockdown drag-out

you end on a major empire strikes back note with all superheroes being outlawed, the resistance failing to defeat the law and tony failing to create the middle ground he wanted there to be

maybe the skrulls are behind it or something

and then you come back with THE NEW AVENGERS, a team of renegade superheroes who come together to face a threat none could handle alone and uncover the skrull conspiracy to marginalize earth's superheroes in advance of a full-scale invasion

i'm not sure who marvel owns and who marvel doesn't own but it'd probably be like a team led by cap and including luke cage, iron fist, dr. strange, hulk, and maybe the sentry or ronin

[Rhodes]

Okay, dream cast: Stephen and Danny (just for laffs).

[j_brooks]

i guess the obvious picks are cumberbatch as strange and bradley cooper as iron fist

[j_brooks]

altho i guess like if they could get the french bro from the artist to be strange that'd probably be pretty good for them

[Rhodes]

Yeah I think I like Dujardin better. Good call.

[reepicheep]

I can't see the whole civil war thing working.

The Avengers seem to be very closely tied to SHIELD anyway, a government org. I can't see how any of the current roster would have a problem with being registered in the first place. There won't be enough time to establish rouge groups of superheros fucking things up in the other films to justify registration. just not enough history in the films to make me believe that ironman, thor, capt would think splitting up would be a good idea. we just put them together to save the world so why break em up?

once we get more info on the avengers plot i think we'll able to come up with some sweet ideas

[Rhodes]

I think Karl Urban as Strange could work, too.

ANYWAY.