Guy too insane to be executed to receive treatment

Jesus christ you have to be kidding me.

Postby Jeremy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:13 pm

so that he can become sane enough to execute.

Ohio Court Says Executing Severely Mentally Ill Man Is Unconstitutional
By Ian Millhiser on Jun 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm

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Abdul Awkal with his attorney David Singleton

As ThinkProgress previously reported, Abdul Awkal is a severely mentally ill Ohio inmate who believes that he advises the CIA and President Obama on anti-terrorism policy and that he is set to be executed because the “CIA wanted him dead.” Although Awkal was originally scheduled to be executed on June 6, Gov. John Kasich (R-OH) granted him a two week reprieve earlier this month so that state courts would have sufficient time to determine whether Awkal could not constitutionally be put to death due to his mental incapacity. On Friday, that court held that executing Awkal would indeed be unconstitutional:
All the experts who testified agree that Abdul Awkal suffers from a severe mental illness: schizoaffective disorder, depressive type–a form of psychosis. This diagnosis was supported by the defendant’s repeated statements, made in various contexts and over more than a decade, claiming that he had provided information to the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the White House, and the presidential campaign of John Kerry and John Edwards, offering advice as to the conduct of the fight against Osama bin Laden and Al-Quaeda and the prosecution of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that he would receive coded replies via news articles in U.S.A. Today and other media sources. All the experts further noted a depressive component to that diagnosis. . . .

Based upon an exhaustive review of all the evidence before it, including the evaluations of five acknowledged expert mental-health professionals, the Court is forced to conclude that, as a result of severe and persistent mental disease (schizoaffective disorder, depressive type), Abdul Awkal presently lacks the capacity to form a rational understanding as to the reason the state intends to execute him on June 20, 2012. Accordingly, . . . Abdul Awkal may not be executed unless and until he has been restored to competency.


Despite this order, Awkal could still be killed should he eventually become more lucid. Indeed, the order suggests that he could possibly be “subjected to forced medication for the purpose of restoring him to competency to be executed.” Moreover, it concludes that Awkal’s execution will not be stayed until after the state supreme court signs off on a stay — although the state is not opposing Awkal’s request for the state supremes to do so.


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/18/499934/ohio-court-says-executing-severely-mentally-ill-man-is-unconstitutional/
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Re: Guy too insane to be executed to receive treatment

Postby chimp_ » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:15 pm

Hasn't this happened before?
the spirit of this thread is the total death-wish. it frightens me. people are laughing about this, because they are idiots, just idiots.
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Postby ho bag brown » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:15 pm

They're playing jenga with this guy's consciousness
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Postby cooly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:17 pm

i wonder if i could be executed, like if i did a crime? i have all of these problems in my head
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Postby fester » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:17 pm

i have definitely seen this on a tv show
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Postby bread » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:17 pm

That picture is killing me
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Postby tth » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:18 pm

cooly pls elaborate
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:20 pm

What if you're so insane that you believe that the CIA wants you dead for no reason, but as a result of those beliefs you then do so much awful stuff that the CIA comes to actually want you dead, but you don't have access to that information.
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Postby Grover » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:20 pm

yeah didn't texas execute a mentally ill man years ago?
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:21 pm

And then in jail they put you on sanity pills and you're like "Oh phew so the CIA doesn't actually want me dead" and your attorney's like "I have some bad news."
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Postby king ding-a-ling » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:23 pm

they should just murk him and get it over with
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Postby cooly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:23 pm

tth wrote:cooly pls elaborate

i dont know man, it doesnt really amke a difference anyways though; if i were forced into any situation i had to interact with another human being every day and i couldnt just sttay in my apartment 24 horus i'd probably die anyways
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Postby chimp_ » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:24 pm

cooly wrote:
tth wrote:cooly pls elaborate

i dont know man, it doesnt really amke a difference anyways though; if i were forced into any situation i had to interact with another human being every day and i couldnt just sttay in my apartment 24 horus i'd probably die anyways


don't you have to teach students and whatever
the spirit of this thread is the total death-wish. it frightens me. people are laughing about this, because they are idiots, just idiots.
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Postby an otter » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:25 pm

Jeremy wrote:
Awkal could still be killed should he eventually become more lucid. Indeed, the order suggests that he could possibly be “subjected to forced medication for the purpose of restoring him to competency to be executed.”


IT like it a Crime these Days jus to be Lucid...
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Re: Guy too insane to be executed to receive treatment

Postby Locke » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:25 pm

jeremy oh my god
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Postby street hustler slokra » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:25 pm

Jeremy wrote:And then in jail they put you on sanity pills and you're like "Oh phew so the CIA doesn't actually want me dead" and your attorney's like "I have some bad news: there is no such thing as sanity pills and I'm not an attorney."
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Postby cooly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:28 pm

chimp_ wrote:
cooly wrote:
tth wrote:cooly pls elaborate

i dont know man, it doesnt really amke a difference anyways though; if i were forced into any situation i had to interact with another human being every day and i couldnt just sttay in my apartment 24 horus i'd probably die anyways


don't you have to teach students and whatever

yeah don't remind me; i have to teach in the fall. i feel so bad for these kids, but at least they'll have something to laugh about
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Postby Spoilt Victorian Child » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:28 pm

At what point does someone notify them that they were supposed to be looking at his mental state at the time he committed the crime.
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Postby Felix » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:28 pm

Jeremy wrote:And then in jail they put you on sanity pills and you're like "Oh phew so the CIA doesn't actually want me dead" and your attorney's like "I have some bad news."

lol
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:29 pm

Spoilt Victorian Child wrote:At what point does someone notify them that they were supposed to be looking at his mental state at the time he committed the crime.


I assume after he's dead and if he has any family they bring suit.
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Postby cooly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:30 pm

I remember reading about a case -- maybe it was that mom who killed her kids -- where she pled insanity because she thought satan ordered her to kill her babies, and it didn't work because if it was satan ordering her she knew that it was an evil thing to do, but it would have worked if she believed god had ordered her to kill them -- like the fact that it was satan's voice meant that she still knew the difference between wrong and right and chose the wrong thing.

I bet her brain was really kicking itself at one point, like "we should have gone with the god voice for this one"
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:34 pm

But what if you're from one of those sects that thinks the Christian God is the evil demiurge. I mean I guess it would be hard to convince people that you thought Satan was the good guy without demonstrating enough rationality that they'd call you competent.
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Postby sleigh » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:38 pm

this week, the trio of cutups feign insanity
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Postby cooly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:40 pm

Jeremy wrote:But what if you're from one of those sects that thinks the Christian God is the evil demiurge. I mean I guess it would be hard to convince people that you thought Satan was the good guy without demonstrating enough rationality that they'd call you competent.

the average jury would probably hate you so much for suggesting that that youd get executed anyways
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:40 pm

"Please listen to my detailed and convincing argument about how the beliefs that my actions were premised on are totally fucked up and crazy."
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Postby nautical hyperblast » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:42 pm

chimp_ wrote:Hasn't this happened before?

yeah dude it's what the green mile was about or something.
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Postby Jeremy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:44 pm

Frankly it's not necessarily out of the question that this guy provided advice to the Kerry/Edwards campaign.
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Postby cooly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:44 pm

jeremy did you ever read about kant's reading of genesis? he claims that prior to eating the apple adam & eve only acted on raw inclinations, but that eating the apple was the first conceptual action -- they found it appealing by comparing it with other fruits that they had experience with -- and so with the onset of rational activity comes man's fall from innocence etc.
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Postby Robo-Chachi » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:46 pm

nautical hyperblast wrote:
chimp_ wrote:Hasn't this happened before?

yeah dude it's what the seventh sign was about or something.
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Postby Baby Museum » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:50 pm

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