making a strong commitment to lose weight

[sordid affair]

dang, you guys talk about this stuff so much

[Snatch]

just like girls huh

[badhat]

heres the thing about diet and why "its easy, jsut eat less" is such a blind alley.

there are a million different ways to maintain a healthy body weight, and a reasonably fraction of them are actually healthy sustainable long term. within that fraction, theres stil a lot of variety, different foods, different ways to get cario activity.

to just proscribe a quick bible that works for you, or me, or some book you read, misses the point that ANY diet ius tennable in the short term. for a few days or weeks, but after a certain point, if youre doing something that is unfulfilling or miserable, no matter whether its hard or relatively simple, youre gonna crack, and thats why so many people yo yo back and forth. they blame themselves and not the diet. instead of running for two weeks and convincing yourself that you enjoy running until you break down and give up in frustration, give it a couple of weeks and if it doesnt work, try cycling, or rowing, or step classes, or boxing, or swimming or whatever the fuck... same with diet, try different healthy foods until you find combinations that you actually like dont just stick to something you hate and think of life like taking medicine. find ways of lving well and eating well that are satisfying and enriching, not laborious, and you'll find that its less arduous and youre less likely to lose discipline and cheat or give up when you get burned out.

variety is good too. take up a couple of activities and broaden your diet. keeps it fresh.

[sordid affair]

just like girls huh

i was debating pointing it out, but definitely a little more than my female chums

[starless]

yeah, worse than girls for sure.

[clockout]

sordid, how can i lose weight through candy

[sordid affair]

sordid, how can i lose weight through candy

moderation my good man

[badhat]

dark chocolate covered almonds

[sordid affair]

a friend gave me blend of dark/milk/white covered pistachios last week

[Snatch]

just like girls huh

i was debating pointing it out, but definitely a little more than my female chums

the weird thing is i literally have discussed this for maybe 20 minutes, total, with any of my bros. (off-board bros, i mean.)

not to sound completely lame/self-absorbed, but it's a huge, huge fuckin lifestyle change. and not just a lifestyle change, like, a total life change. looking in the mirror or at a picture and not cringing is incredibly liberating.

also we're all hipsters or hipsters in denial

[Snatch]

and yeah, nuts

nuts are the best

[clockout]

the only person ive ever talked about it off here is mcwop, so

[Lampwick]

So last weekend I walked about 7 miles split between Friday-Sun, yesterday I walked 3 1/2 miles and today I rode my bike about 6. I feel pretty good about the increase in exercise (from basically none) but I still have pretty terrible eating habits. For some reason it's hasn't been hard to motivate myself to exercise but I still want to eat like hamburgers and bags of chips.

I want to lose about 20 pounds by August (if possible), before I move to NY. I'll be at the weight I was when I first moved to LA, and I was pretty fine with my size then. I'm fine with being a big guy but I don't want to slip into being fat.

[mich]

how will my body rrespond to that diet though? just lack of eneergy?

Personally, I don't cut out carbs completely. I eat low or no carb most of the day and then eat a small to moderate serving at dinner and I vary from 50-100g carbs a day at 11-25% of my calorie intake a day. Then 20-25% protein and the rest fat which usually ends up around 50%. I don't have any lack of energy and I both lift weights and do cardio. The only big difference I've seen is my weight is going down faster compared to when I reduced carbs to 30% which I was doing for about four months prior to my current eating plan. I think most common American diets are 40-50% carbs and 30-40% fat for a reference.

If you cut out carbs completely aside from fibrous veggies and incidental carbs your body will go into ketosis which means it will start burning ketones (in short, fat) instead of glucose for energy. Many people report a lack of energy and feeling "brain fog" when undergoing this switch. After that switching phase, if you continue to limit your carbs, then those effects generally clear up for most people. Ketones also don't smell good so your breath would smell bad.

[badhat]

i guess i still- all these years later- dont get what the supposed benefit of ketosis is?

"training the body to burn fats instead of carbs?"

you can do with with tempo training, steady state aerobic work at just below your anaerobic threshold, your body will learn to use fat more efficiently, AND you'll get faster at a given effort/heart rate, and increase your endurance.

so, stronger heart and lungs, no bad breath, and you can eat all the damn carbs you want.

[free range lettuce]

article for whatever boarder it was yesterday who was saying how easy it is to 'just choose to not be fat anymore'

edit: it was uaxuctum

This Is Why They're Fat: What Cheesecake-Addicted Rats Reveal About Human Obesity

According to a new study, lab rats fed on high-fat food (like cheesecake) exhibit brain changes that resemble addiction. So is a fatty diet addictive in humans? And is such addiction responsible for obesity?

Researchers at The Scripps Research Institute in Jupiter, Florida found that rats given unlimited access to high-calorie foods — sausage, bacon, cheesecake — showed neurological changes in their reward levels. That is, they needed to keep eating the high-fat food in order to "feel good." They also ate only the high-fat food even if lower-fat rat chow was available, and if the high-fat food was taken away, they refused to eat chow for an average of 14 days. Since human addicts sometimes have a lack of dopamine receptors, researchers deactivated these in some rats — and found the rats showed even faster changes in reward levels. Most rats offered the high-fat food ate about twice their normal number of calories, and became obese.

Though Katherine Harmon's recap of the study in Scientific American does distinguish between drug addiction and overeating ("The sticky part about studying food addiction is that, unlike cocaine or alcohol, humans can't exactly drop it-cold turkey or not"), it's sure to be cited alongside studies on sugar to prove that our modern diet is as addictive as crack. SciAm's headline makes this explicit: "Addicted to Fat: Overeating May Alter the Brain as Much as Hard Drugs." On the one hand, this research does give interesting insight into why people often have a hard time changing their eating habits — if humans are like rats (obviously, a big if), then perhaps eating a lot of sausage actually rewires our brains.

However, Harmon notes that obesity is more complicated than simple cheesecake addiction. Some people naturally have fewer dopamine receptors than others, which may predispose them to both drug abuse and overeating even before they take their first bite of bacon. As Harmon reported just a few days ago, genes can also influence gut microbes in mice, upping their chances of obesity and diabetes. And of course, humans are subject to all sorts of other genetic and environmental influences, from medications that cause us to gain weight to metabolic syndromes that can make us obese even if we don't overeat. So while it's interesting that a high-fat diet can change how rats' brains work, it's important to note that not all weight gain is the result of binging on cheesecake.

[julius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0oUqyDEt6s

[mich]

i guess i still- all these years later- dont get what the supposed benefit of ketosis is?

"training the body to burn fats instead of carbs?"

you can do with with tempo training, steady state aerobic work at just below your anaerobic threshold, your body will learn to use fat more efficiently, AND you'll get faster at a given effort/heart rate, and increase your endurance.

so, stronger heart and lungs, no bad breath, and you can eat all the damn carbs you want.

This is just like that guy saying "it's easy just eat less!" but instead it's "just do lots of cardio, I burn 5000 calories on one bike ride!" There are different paths to weight loss, a ketogenic diet is one, doing lots of cardio is one, weight lifting is one, etc. Various reasons to eat a ketogenic diet include weight loss on a diet that some people are better able to stick with, trying to build muscle mass with minimal fat gain (usually ketogenic most of the time + post-workout carbs), eating a diet that some people view as more "natural."

I personally think the really low carb people are crazy because bread and rice is delicious but apparently a lot of them don't miss it at all and if that's what works for them, then great.

[Milquetoaster Strudels]

Bad food is definitely addicting. When I first lost a ton of weight, it was incredibly difficult to resist the temptation to just eat terrible shit, but over time, what used to be a difficult decision became really easy to make.

Then, when I got fat again in college, I completely lost that mentality and everything kind of just went out the window. I've been losing weight again, but getting back into that mentality was the hardest thing. All I wanted to do was just eat bad shit, but over time, I've come back to that previous mentality where I can just say no with barely a second thought.

[free range lettuce]

mich, how did you get into that heavy weight training? i can't imagine doing that.

[badhat]

hold on hold on its not JUST like that, in i'm asking a question rather than judging.

you dont have to do epic 5 hour bike rides to push aerobic thereshold, 90 minutes a couple of times a week will go a long way.

my beef with ketosis is that to me it sounds far more negatively stressful and les sustainable (and with less beiefit) than doing a little hard cardio now and then,

[badhat]

my challenging of ketosis is based on contrary evidence, not moral judgment.

[Milquetoaster Strudels]

Yeah, but five hour bike rides are the best.

And I lost like 100 lbs eating pretty much just sandwiches, so fuck carb free diets.

[wnkrs]

for cutting calories, or if a site says to lose weight at your height and weight eat X amount of calories and do excercise blah blah blah, is alcohol counted as calories or is alcohol just assumed to not be consumed at all?

[coop]

FRL, i think this article is from that same study

Fatty foods may be just as addictive as heroin and cocaine: study



http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2010/03/29/2010-03-29_fatty_foods_may_be_just_as_addictive_as_heroin_and_cocaine_study.html

[Milquetoaster Strudels]

for cutting calories, or if a site says to lose weight at your height and weight eat X amount of calories and do excercise blah blah blah, is alcohol counted as calories or is alcohol just assumed to not be consumed at all?

I dunno, I've been drinking a lot lately and I still lost 10 lbs in the past few weeks.

[badhat]

no alcohol should definitely be counted towarsd your calorie totals

[free range lettuce]

my ideal is 3 days/week - yoga, 3 days/week - cardio

that way i am doing something i enjoy often, and balancing with at least 3 sessions (45min) of cardio

but fuck. being in school, i only have time to work out like once a week, usually. it's awful. i am freaking stoked to be finished in may so i can lose all my school fat

[badhat]

Yeah, but five hour bike rides are the best.

.

well yeah but i'm countering michs post that implies that i suggested 5 hour bike rides as an alternative to ketosis diets.

she conflated two posts, one where i said i weigh in before the weekend, because my weekend calorie consumption and burning are both a bit extreme and irregular, and another post where i suggested that adding regular cardio is a healthier, more sustainable way to increase aerobic metabolism than ketonic diets are.

[wnkrs]

what ya been sippin on?

i feel like the more ya read up on this shit the harder it is. last year around this time i went on a diet and just drank vodka and 1 small meal, usually diner food cause i lived a block away from one and lost a shitload of weight, i guess since i thought i was getting enough food my body didn't go into starvation mode cause i was taking lots'a dumps too. now I try and do that and I don't shit for like 3 days. same goes with amphetamines, when i was 15 i got prescribed to that shit and lost 40 -50 pounds in 2 months, now they don't seem to curb my appetite or anything anymore. then again when i was 15 i only drank on weekends.