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Postby mellowgold » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:56 am

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mellowgold wrote:i watched all 8 lol

if anyone is actually going to watch this, the most interesting episodes are 3 and 4 when they make over a trump-supporting cop and a gay man who is sorta closeted. theres a moment in the latter episode i took as internalized homophobia that wasnt addressed properly in the show. i havent seen it addressed anywhere else online, either. so im not sure if it's just me misreading things or what. i figured if anyone was going to call it out it would be rich juzwiak from jezebel: https://themuse.jezebel.com/queer-eyes-needlessly-woke-makeover-1822813138

that episode is good outside that (and maybe a few other) moments. idk.


do you mean when he said he didn't want to look feminine? i thought they handled it pretty well, it was clear the guy definitely had internalized homophobia and they were sensitive to it


yes this is the moment i am talking about. it really bothered me that this show has been promoted as being woke etc but Tan fumbled when addressing this. i was p offended. i guess my response to his comment would have been harsh and being sensitive is probably the right approach. idk i'd like to have seen them address that head on though. im prob overreacting to their response (or lack of a response). it just didnt sit well with me and it's a smudge on another wise really good episode. i guess there was more good here than bad.
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Postby mellowgold » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:59 am

i guess i really wanted Tan to explain how there is nothing inherently wrong with "dressing femme." i also took it as AJ being rude to Tan that he doesn't know what he's doing and was planning on making AJ into something he wasn't comfortable with. idk i think im overreacting but something about that exchanged really hit a nerve with me and it's something ive been thinking about since i watched it a few weeks ago i.e. the responsibility gay men have when addressing other gay men with their internalized homophobia and perceptions of what being gay means.
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Postby RIXX » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:06 am

is that the same moment that this commenter on that jezebel article talks about?

There was a good episode on this new Queer Eye - which I watched yesterday - where Antoni tells the not-out gay guy that he felt pressure to embrace the flamboyant, overly sexy gay stereotypes when he came out but in the end realized he was just a jeans and t-shirt kinda guy, and that is ok too. I thought it was very nice that they were having that discussion on tv, and your post reminds me of it. You don’t have to be a selfie and hair-obsessed person because you are gay or a woman or anything - you can be whatever way you want to be.


idk I have to see it in context. when i read this comment it sounded less like internalized homophobia and more that it can be incredibly isolating and lonely when you come out and still feel like you don't belong to the community because you don't know the language or the signifiers and don't dress as well or are as physically fit, etc

but if he's portraying it as "dressing femme" is wrong, then yeah that sounds like internalized homophobia. I just have to watch it I guess!
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Postby mellowgold » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:09 am

it may be a little bit of both. i guess im more annoyed that it was kind of a teachable moment either way and the show just glides by it. im def willing to admit that i am misreading the moment and that this is what you said, nonchalant - a gay guy not identifying with certain parts of what he perceives the gay community - but idk. i'd love for you or anyone else to watch it since it's be truly haunting me for literally no reason! i just want some clarity lol
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Postby Cone » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:43 am

I think the fact that Karamo and Johnathan are the only two cast members who were really previously in front of a camera and on a public stage rather than simply being involved in their craft like Tan, Antoni, and Bobby, made the other guys seem a little hesitant to address a lot of the social issues and teachable moments at first because they either didn't know how to approach it or were fearful of how they would be perceived eventually. I think if the show continues you'll definitely see them become more aware and open to addressing certain things that they kind of tiptoed around in the first season.

Also, you didn't hear it from me but there may or may not be another 8 episodes already shot and in post production. I only say that because I think it's already been made public knowledge by netflix. Not sure what the plan or timeline for their release would be.Toggle Spoiler
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Postby john plainman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 am

Cone, Did the five know in advance that cop was going to fake pull them over? My wife and I thought that scene was really fucked up if it they did not expect it.Toggle Spoiler

I half watched this with my wife while I played Diablo 2. I think she cried at the end of every episode. Some pretty genuine moments throughout, but I agree that it seemed like they were a bit heavy handed with the “we just need to have honest conversations with people we don't understand.” Or that the “utility” of the gay lifestyle/man is something that needs to be demonstrated to cis white patriarchs for them to be recognized used and accepted (something one of the firemen said made me think of this)
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Postby mellowgold » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:06 pm

Cone wrote:I think the fact that Karamo and Johnathan are the only two cast members who were really previously in front of a camera and on a public stage rather than simply being involved in their craft like Tan, Antoni, and Bobby, made the other guys seem a little hesitant to address a lot of the social issues and teachable moments at first because they either didn't know how to approach it or were fearful of how they would be perceived eventually. I think if the show continues you'll definitely see them become more aware and open to addressing certain things that they kind of tiptoed around in the first season.

Also, you didn't hear it from me but there may or may not be another 8 episodes already shot and in post production. I only say that because I think it's already been made public knowledge by netflix. Not sure what the plan or timeline for their release would be.Toggle Spoiler


yes this was also my line of thinking -- what is Tan's responsibility here to act in the moment? this isnt a private one-on-one covo there are cameras here and he's focused on doing a job. im not sure going into the show he was told that the new Queer Eye would be more socially conscience. i guess what i am saying is that i would have reacted angrily to that specific moment, which is probably why i am not on tv or a member of the fab five!

also that is great news!
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Postby Hal Jordan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:12 pm

anger probably would've been counterproductive. i thought having the other cast member talk about his coming out and how he went through extremes and how confusing navigating the new world can be but ultimately it's all about being true to yourself was a good approach. but i also get your point about wanting a more forceful confrontation of a bigoted statement, and like i'm straight cis-white-dude so ya know
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Postby mellowgold » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:24 pm

Hal Jordan wrote:anger probably would've been counterproductive. i thought having the other cast member talk about his coming out and how he went through extremes and how confusing navigating the new world can be but ultimately it's all about being true to yourself was a good approach. but i also get your point about wanting a more forceful confrontation of a bigoted statement, and like i'm straight cis-white-dude so ya know


no it wouldn't be positive at all, you're right. and yes, Tan's advice was very sound. but i wanted him to also tell AJ there isn't anything wrong in dressing femme or however he put it. i really need to rewatch that scene again, i think. it's been a few weeks since i first saw it and it's likely i am not correctly remembering it and the nuances of the exchange are p important.
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Postby Cone » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:19 pm

john plainman wrote:Cone, Did the five know in advance that cop was going to fake pull them over? My wife and I thought that scene was really fucked up if it they did not expect it.Toggle Spoiler


I honestly don’t know how this went down since I had already advanced to the house they were going to remodel to get some footage of it before and wait for their arrival. I can imagine that at least one or two of them had to have known about it ahead of time. Usually when producers try to spring some surprise like that on their cast it ends up backfiring and doesn’t go as planned so I assume there was some notice ahead of time so they could stay in the moment as it happened.Toggle Spoiler
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Postby grace cathedral park » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:33 pm

karamo seemed pretty pissed off about the situation either way, rightfully so
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Postby Riverchrist » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:36 pm

mellowgold wrote:the most interesting episodes are 3 and 4 when they make over a trump-supporting cop


I'm glad his dad is dead.
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Postby Cone » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:25 pm

I’m still working through watching these and I totally forgot that basically half of episode 5 was done in a fucking Target whereas the guy in the prior episode gets taken to the Lacoste store for his clothes.
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Postby grace cathedral park » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pm

Was there some type of budget that would allow the makeover to be feasible for the person to maintain? That’s kind of why I assumed they took him to target since he had a huge family.
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Postby Cone » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:48 am

Yeah it had to do with teaching each guy how to shop sensibly within their budget but still find quality products. Still made me laugh a little but I’m glad the purpose was clear enough.
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Postby Celiac Cruz » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:13 am

This show is really a damn delight. Side note, has anyone been able to place where Tan is specifically from? Sounds almost Scottish at times when ending a sentence but everywhere has said English
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Postby Magazine » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:23 am

I teared up in every episode except 7 . . . because nobody cried in that one.
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Postby Cone » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:34 pm

Celiac Cruz wrote:This show is really a damn delight. Side note, has anyone been able to place where Tan is specifically from? Sounds almost Scottish at times when ending a sentence but everywhere has said English


Tan was born and raised in Manchester if I remember correctly
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Postby Celiac Cruz » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:47 pm

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Tan was born and raised in Manchester if I remember correctly

Sort of what I might have guessed, thank you!
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Postby Hal Jordan » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:35 pm

Magazine wrote:I teared up in every episode except 7 . . . because nobody cried in that one.

is that the fireman one?
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Postby Celiac Cruz » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:11 pm

Cried quite a bit at the episode with AJ, though it felt like the further we found out about him the less I really understood why he needed the grand intervention
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Postby grace cathedral park » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:27 pm

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is that the fireman one?


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Postby wintergreen » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:14 pm

i noticed this on netflix yesterday and tried out the first episode, with the classic car guy, and the episode with the comedian. i ended up kind of forwarding to the haircuts and the outfit reveals, as that’s apparently what i like.

today i watched the aj episode. it felt like a bit of a laney boggs situation, as far as his appearance, clothing, and home, but, in contrast to my experience with the first two episodes i watched, i found the personal development really riveting. i don’t feel like this story, and particularly the scene where he comes out to his stepmom, is something we’d usually see on tv. it was really beautiful.

i’m also glad they produce this in atlanta so we can get a slice of life outside of the new york and los angeles stuff we notmally see.

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Postby Kenny » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:44 pm

Watched the first episode and it was a lot better than I thought it was going o be
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Postby galactagogue » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:48 pm

man this show manages to hit my sappy receptors w full impact. i get sucked in. but the fashion aspect of the makers some the least creative imo :/ 'Here's a patterned button up. Roll up the sleeves to look young !" idk idk. but i guess you can't teach style...
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Postby sassafras socks » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:56 pm

galactagogue wrote:man this show manages to hit my sappy receptors w full impact. i get sucked in. but the fashion aspect of the makers some the least creative imo :/ 'Here's a patterned button up. Roll up the sleeves to look young !" idk idk. but i guess you can't teach style...


Only watched the first two eps so far, but yeah, this is easily one of the biggest weaknesses. That poor app developer was clearly unhappy with the clothing options forced on him, and honestly, most of it looked like shit in the end. There were many ways he could've been done over that looked far nicer and embraced the fact that not everyone is gonna be a BOLD PATTERNS, buttoned-to-the-top kind of dude
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Postby grace cathedral park » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:08 pm

I honestly thought his original outfit was.... fine lol
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Postby grace cathedral park » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:10 pm

I think the cooking aspect is the worst. Just really pointless and unsustainable. But Antoni looks and talks hot so he’ll i guess I love em

Jonathan is definitely my favorite and it seems like most of the time the makeover dude is genuinely touched by his choices, which is really cool.
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Postby Celiac Cruz » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:46 pm

grace cathedral park wrote:I think the cooking aspect is the worst. Just really pointless and unsustainable. But Antoni looks and talks hot so he’ll i guess I love em

Jonathan is definitely my favorite and it seems like most of the time the makeover dude is genuinely touched by his choices, which is really cool.

Antoni always seems to crack them open a little bit, but he really only ever makes TexMex. Jonathan rules, and Bobby does so much work it's really incredible. Not sure what Karamo fully does I think
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