PHANTOM THREAD (2017) (PTA x DDL)

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
You're all fakes
Run to your mansions
Come around
We'll kick your ass in

Postby quilty » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:46 pm

tgk wrote:PTA seemed way more interested in how people eat than in fashion/dressmaking, which I appreciated. Loved Woodcock's enormous appetite.

the combination of food, clothing, and period set design has a very late wes anderson vibe, much in the way punch drunk love had a very early wes anderson vibe
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Postby tgk » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:52 pm

i didn't feel in love with this movie while watching it (well, mostly the middle third, I loved the ending) but I haven't been able to stop thinking about it and playing it over in my head and it's really grown in estimation for me, which almost never happens.
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Postby ratbags » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:56 pm

Yeah it really sticks in my head
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Postby jca » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:57 pm

damn that cool as hell :o
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:00 pm

quilty wrote:punch drunk love had a very early wes anderson vibe


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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:07 pm

blurst of times wrote:i saw this on saturday night, and i liked it a lot, but i have to admit i'm a little surprised by the euphoric reactions to it here. this had a lot going for it -- the soundtrack was amazing, it was beautifully shot, and the performances were fantastic -- but i don't think i'd rank it in the upper echelon of pta movies (yet). i felt like the two lead characters were slightly under-developed, and less interesting than say, lancaster dodd or freddie quells. that might be an unfair comparison. but as a result, i ended up not being as affected by some of the emotional beats as i could've been. i did appreciate the genuinely unexpected twists in the storyline, though.

anyway, my opinion of it might improve on a rewatch. i def want to see this in 70mm. (i got to the theater late and could only snag front-row seats lol.)


the characters and their quirks make a lot more sense the second time around when you're not constantly peeling back the cover to figure out what's going on inside their heads and what their next action is
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Postby tgk » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:08 pm

man did i love how that camera bounced around following the car
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Postby truncated » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:12 pm

damn

this thing was good
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:13 pm

woodcock's line during his proposalToggle Spoiler about keeping his sour heart from choking really hit me hard

also what was the line toward the end about "to love him makes life no great mystery"? something like that?
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Postby Ersaph » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:16 pm

Yeah that's correct
And I feel like this year is really about, just the year of realizing stuff.
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:17 pm

it's a beautiful line
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Postby edgeev » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:38 pm

ratbags wrote:The dialogue is riveting too which can cause euphoria I suppose. The dinner argument is so exceptionally written and performed


Krieps was amazing in the dinner scene. And I could not stop laughing harder every time he said the gun line.
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Postby defective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm


:ryan:
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Postby defective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:32 pm

so let's all come up with one perfect question.
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Postby ripersnifle » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:32 pm

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steakspoon wrote:sorry if sounds corny fellas but i'll always remember where i was when i heard my first big star song..the internet.
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Postby ratbags » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:36 pm

"Are you familiar with forums.hipinion.com"
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Postby defective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:39 pm

Pretty sure he's on here as Buck Swope.
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Postby edgeev » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:41 pm

Paul, would you say your toenails are of an above-average density?
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Postby defective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:44 pm

Paul, "why don't I own this?"
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Postby lockheed » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:54 pm

"was the phantom thread when he sewed that note in to the dress?"
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Postby defective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:56 pm

“The tea is going out; the interruption is staying right here with me.”

Did this make anyone else think of...

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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:17 pm

defective wrote:“The tea is going out; the interruption is staying right here with me.”

Did this make anyone else think of...

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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:18 pm

woodcock in that chair facing the people walking out to the alps :o
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Postby Buddy Glass » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:18 pm

defective wrote:“The tea is going out; the interruption is staying right here with me.”

Did this make anyone else think of...

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Yep, exactly that actually. There's a few moments that bring Kubrick to mind. Like I mentioned earlier, one of the driving shots (it's not the very first like I thought, I think it's the fourth, the first where they are seen driving together) is reminiscent of A Clockwork Orange; the scene where they're doing a fashion show at the house and parading around the room in front of the assembled group is a bit reminiscent of the concert scene in Barry Lyndon (Barry beating up Lord Bullingdon), including the sudden switch to handheld; the last section, after they're married and the doctor and his female relative are both trying to chip away at their relationship, is like Eyes Wide Shut when they both have passes made for them at the Christmas party. Just little nods in Kubrick's direction that might or might not be really intentional, don't know.Toggle Spoiler
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Postby defective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:22 pm

Buddy Glass wrote:
defective wrote:“The tea is going out; the interruption is staying right here with me.”

Did this make anyone else think of...

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Yep, exactly that actually. There's a few moments that bring Kubrick to mind. Like I mentioned earlier, one of the driving shots (it's not the very first like I thought, I think it's the fourth, the first where they are seen driving together) is reminiscent of A Clockwork Orange; the scene where they're doing a fashion show at the house and parading around the room in front of the assembled group is a bit reminiscent of the concert scene in Barry Lyndon (Barry beating up Lord Bullingdon), including the sudden switch to handheld; the last section, after they're married and the doctor and his female relative are both trying to chip away at their relationship, is like Eyes Wide Shut when they both have passes made for them at the Christmas party. Just little nods in Kubrick's direction that might or might not be really intentional, don't know.Toggle Spoiler

yes, also the extensive use of the dissolve (also in TWBB).Toggle Spoiler
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Postby blurst of times » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:24 pm

Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:
blurst of times wrote:i saw this on saturday night, and i liked it a lot, but i have to admit i'm a little surprised by the euphoric reactions to it here. this had a lot going for it -- the soundtrack was amazing, it was beautifully shot, and the performances were fantastic -- but i don't think i'd rank it in the upper echelon of pta movies (yet). i felt like the two lead characters were slightly under-developed, and less interesting than say, lancaster dodd or freddie quells. that might be an unfair comparison. but as a result, i ended up not being as affected by some of the emotional beats as i could've been. i did appreciate the genuinely unexpected twists in the storyline, though.

anyway, my opinion of it might improve on a rewatch. i def want to see this in 70mm. (i got to the theater late and could only snag front-row seats lol.)


the characters and their quirks make a lot more sense the second time around when you're not constantly peeling back the cover to figure out what's going on inside their heads and what their next action is


that's a good point. i'll report back after i watch this again
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Postby sliiimer » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:32 pm

So was Cyril ever exposed to the mushrooms? I think she shared Reynolds' tea the morning of the first dose, but must have had much less if she had any at all. I think when the seamstresses came to her office to tell her Reynolds had fainted, she was really out of it--maybe that was an example of her symptoms? Small enough dosage just to be confused?Toggle Spoiler
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Postby tgk » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:34 pm

they each had their own separate teapots didn't they?Toggle Spoiler
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Postby tgk » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:36 pm

i'm listening to the greenwood score today and holy god does it rip, how on earth did shape of water beat this out. smh
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Postby galactagogue » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:04 pm

sliiimer wrote:So was Cyril ever exposed to the mushrooms? I think she shared Reynolds' tea the morning of the first dose, but must have had much less if she had any at all. I think when the seamstresses came to her office to tell her Reynolds had fainted, she was really out of it--maybe that was an example of her symptoms? Small enough dosage just to be confused?Toggle Spoiler



yeah this was a plot point i wondered about too, when i saw it for the second time. it seems deliberate that you would assume her intentions were to poison cyril with how it cut to her sipping tea immediately after she drops the ground up shrooms in the kettle.Toggle Spoiler going back the second time was good for being able to more clearly catch the ways PTA made deliberate gestures to keep assumptions somewhat unstable. even if in the end things followed a relatively expected course.
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