Twin Peaks Season 3 (May 21st)

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
You're all fakes
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:36 pm

iambic i highly recommend these http://www.lostinthemovies.com/2017/05/ ... ssage.html

they were definitely my favorite analysis/recap things. there was one other one people here liked a lot but didnt do much for me so i don't remember what it was called.
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Postby walt whitman » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:36 pm

being 'left cold' has been one of the real aesthetic achievements for some time now; relax, you're on the right track
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:39 pm

yeah i even loved this show right from the start, but my overall view of it was so different by the end
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:06 pm

endo pretty much hated it
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Postby gordie blue eyes » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:06 pm

ilu endo
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Postby iambic » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:30 pm

just so I'm not drivebying,

lynch always rides the line of my indulgence more than anyone else: with something like MD or Lost Highway, I'm fine with shit being spontaneous/not making sense because they make dream-sense; there's an aesthetic and mythological coherence, even if some elements are never explained, defy explanation, or are deliberately, aggressively inexplicable. Lynch is the only person who's ever filmed what dreams are like, and I love him for that. my personal aesthetic prizes coherence and intentionality to an insane degree, and Lynch is a good antidote for it, personally.

but with Twin Peaks S3, at least in these episodes, it starts to feels a little abusive for me, because that dream-sense is being kinda mulched and remythologized (in part because of the 25-year gap and deaths and contracts, which is why the dwarf who was the arm is now a tree and there's an evil twin tree of the arm-tree, which was the statue, okay?), but we're simultaneously asked to treat the strikethroughs and reshuffling of the mythos scrolls with serious attention—most notably with the glaaacial start to ep3, which felt like much earlier Lynch and was honestly kinda tedious to me in this context. I liked everything much more once Coop actually returned. (and I loved the idea that Evil Cooper made a third, dummy Coop to avoid having to return?)

it's like we've previously been drilled on Black Lodge stuff, and even been invited to read or watch ancillary material/deleted scenes to get a deeper sense of it, but then it just got wrangled and wrung out to fit Lynch's 2017 aesthetic whims anyway. and right now it just feels out of joint and even embarrassed by its preceding material (FWWM felt the same way, but it was still at least an arm's length from the world and people of S1/S2). put yet another way: Mulholland Drive, which is my favorite Lynch overall, feels like a Magic Eye puzzle where you can keep texture and form in suspension simultaneously, and they sustain one another. but in S3 Lynch is asking me to stare at the mess of blots for too long. the blots are cool on their own merits, but they're very different colors and shapes to what came before. to me, they're very different even to "Beyond Life and Death" or FWWM.

but that's only three episodes in, and I get that this is a 583-page thread.

(there's some other more granular criticisms re: the deployment of egregious violence/gore, especially against [sexualized] women. I'm guessing people would bristle and talk about that stuff being reflexive commentaries upon those things!! ... which is another way of saying Lynch always gets to have his cake and eat it.)
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Postby iambic » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:32 pm

the meanest thing I'd say is that moments/segments of 1-3 felt like arthouse later-seasons LOST
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Postby bongo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:32 pm

thats not mean at all
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:37 pm

i never read lynch's stuff with violence against women as like, commentaries on same in other media, but i think based on stuff like most of Blue Velvet and that anecdote about him as a kid seeing that distressed nude woman, it seems more like that's something that genuinely disturbs/upsets him

at least in my experience, that seems to be why lynch-y violence/scary stuff is uniquely distressing/scary in film, because it seems to come from such a raw deep intuitive place and he's insanely good at maintaining that feeling in the final product.

though i'm also not really versed in FILM THEORY stuff at all that's just what it feels like to me. but yeah it'd certainly be hard for him to not be aware of how it could come off, so he may be taking that into account as well
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Postby manvstrees » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:03 pm

i watched this a billion times already and the soundtrack is on repeat

i need a decade off
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm

i probably watched the first four episodes about five times each - those were a tough two weeks waiting for the fifth episode - and then 8 twice. needed to give myself some distance before diving back in and i think i'm ready. if only to see just how much better the blus look than showtime streaming.

i can understand someone feeling cold after the first three episodes. i think in many ways they are the most sparse and clinical episodes. (although if you aren't down with the opening of episode 3 then there may be serious hindrances to you enjoying this). i hesitate to use the word "warm" but as the season progresses it does thaw from the glacial pace and tone of those first eps. wally brando might be the turning point (that's in ep 4, right?).

i agree that some of the red room material in those first eps feels...almost clunky. like, we're being given explicit definitions and explanations of lodge lore (particularly in the evolution of the arm's speech to coop) when all of that has worked much better in an elliptical way. i don't think it's too much of a spoiler to say that you shouldn't be worried about that because the red room material drops off after those first few eps - used more sparingly and also with more fog surrounding the actual machinations
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:15 pm

i think part of my hesitation to rewatch is like, being kinda disappointed i can't watch the entire thing in one go
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Postby manvstrees » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:15 pm

Poptone wrote:
i agree that some of the red room material in those first eps feels...almost clunky. like, we're being given explicit definitions and explanations of lodge lore (particularly in the evolution of the arm's speech to coop) when all of that has worked much better in an elliptical way. i don't think it's too much of a spoiler to say that you shouldn't be worried about that because the red room material drops off after those first few eps - used more sparingly and also with more fog surrounding the actual machinations


this is how i felt about those scenes, but just the dialogue. what actually went down in all those red room scenes was dead on.
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Postby manvstrees » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:16 pm

the pacing of dougie is what balances how we immediately just jump right into it
also the entirety of buckhorn
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Postby bongo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:16 pm

im still too fucked up about it being over

and im too fucked up/gutted about how it ends
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Postby manvstrees » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:18 pm

i haven't had many season 4 dreams/nightmares yet, but i will post every one of them when they hit
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:19 pm

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Poptone wrote:
i agree that some of the red room material in those first eps feels...almost clunky. like, we're being given explicit definitions and explanations of lodge lore (particularly in the evolution of the arm's speech to coop) when all of that has worked much better in an elliptical way. i don't think it's too much of a spoiler to say that you shouldn't be worried about that because the red room material drops off after those first few eps - used more sparingly and also with more fog surrounding the actual machinations


this is how i felt about those scenes, but just the dialogue. what actually went down in all those red room scenes was dead on.


yeah, that's a good distinction to make. everything still looks incredible and the broad strokes of what's happening i'm 100% with
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Postby manvstrees » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:22 pm

in the last few eps the speed at which things go from to Image is truly astounding
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:27 pm

bongo wrote:im still too fucked up about it being over

and im too fucked up/gutted about how it ends


i'm gonna spoiler this since iambic's in here and i don't wanna ruin anything for him:

i have no doubt that 18 will still feel like a cold sweat fever dream but i've really come around on how depressing/defeatist i first interpreted it as.

yes, coop fails due to hubris but he truly is a mind forever voyaging. will he be in a teapot next time we see him? quite possibly! but maybe he'll be chilling with the fireman quaffing some metaphysical coffee. maybe he and "carrie" will wander the pocket dimension until the universe collapses back in on itself. at any rate, he'll still be pushing at the boundaries of space and time and taking in experiences unknown to humanity. coop wants a family and a happy ending but Coop prime would never truly be happy staying in one place.
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Postby manvstrees » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:30 pm

diane looking like the red room is the biggest clue that coop never escapedToggle Spoiler
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Postby bongo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:31 pm

Poptone wrote:
i have no doubt that 18 will still feel like a cold sweat fever dream but i've really come around on how depressing/defeatist i first interpreted it as.

yes, coop fails due to hubris but he truly is a mind forever voyaging. will he be in a teapot next time we see him? quite possibly! but maybe he'll be chilling with the fireman quaffing some metaphysical coffee. maybe he and "carrie" will wander the pocket dimension until the universe collapses back in on itself. at any rate, he'll still be pushing at the boundaries of space and time and taking in experiences unknown to humanity. coop wants a family and a happy ending but Coop prime would never truly be happy staying in one place.
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yeah, i mean i kinda feel this. still though, fucking hell ...
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Postby bongo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:31 pm

just infused me with such a fucking pit in my being
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:33 pm

it helps if you keep telling yourself "i bet pete caught some real big 'uns that february morning and fried them up for an amazing supper with josie"Toggle Spoiler
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:35 pm

but yeah that pit is growing in my stomach once again just thinking about the episode. nothing has made me feel that desolate since...well, since the S2 finale originally aired.


maybe Llewyn Davis
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Postby iambic » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:38 pm

Poptone wrote:(although if you aren't down with the opening of episode 3 then there may be serious hindrances to you enjoying this).

I'm talking about Coop in the purple ocean/sewed-eyelid-lady/spaceship/lever/into the socket part, which felt like Eraserhead but in a not good way, and also felt out of place and also kind of monotonous. and the trashy digital effects in general took some getting used to, like Inland Empire is leaking into this world in a not good way. it probably didn't help that I rewatched all of S1/S2/FWWM before undertaking this, so the chiller cinematography of those was very fresh in my mind.
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Postby iambic » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:39 pm

Poptone wrote:maybe Llewyn Davis

hey this is my favorite movie since Mulholland Drive!
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Postby bongo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:39 pm

llewyn davis is super hoot
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:40 pm

iambic wrote:
Poptone wrote:maybe Llewyn Davis

hey this is my favorite movie since Mulholland Drive!



oh i think it's an incredible, near-perfect film but it made me want to draw a warm bath and open my wrists. i felt like shit mentally for a good two days after watching that.
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:42 pm

iambic wrote:
Poptone wrote:(although if you aren't down with the opening of episode 3 then there may be serious hindrances to you enjoying this).

I'm talking about Coop in the purple ocean/sewed-eyelid-lady/spaceship/lever/into the socket part, which felt like Eraserhead but in a not good way, and also felt out of place and also kind of monotonous. and the trashy digital effects in general took some getting used to, like Inland Empire is leaking into this world in a not good way. it probably didn't help that I rewatched all of S1/S2/FWWM before undertaking this, so the chiller cinematography of those was very fresh in my mind.



see, i adore *all* of that - it feels so alienating and overwhelming; it's like coop dropped into R'lyeh

i'm surprised you're calling out trashy digital effects given that consciously "bad" FX have always been a lynch hallmark.
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Postby Poptone » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:43 pm

i nearly shit a brick when the unseen presence is banging on the door and the eyeless lady is freaking the fuck out, so horrifying
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