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Postby Feech La Manna » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:58 pm

although the Republicans are kind of into fucking with Silicon Valley so maybe that is pretty pragmatic
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Postby alaska » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:59 pm

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Postby Polygraph Shakira » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:59 pm

pzadvance wrote:very puzzled by the argument that bernie should be ignored because he's consistently and authentically continued to support ideas that other noms are only just coming around to paying (possibly insincere) lip service to, ideas which are still miles away from being implemented...? shouldn't he continue to fight for this stuff until it is, you know, a reality? and doesn't he deserve more than a little respect for sticking to his guns on this?

I don't think he should be ignored by any means, and I think he deserves immense respect, and I'm super glad he's been able to push the party left and mainstream these ideas.

I'm wondering if he's the best candidate to implement them, or if he's even capable of implementing them, given his hitherto unwillingness to acknowledge the gravity of the structural obstacles or rolling out ways to counter them. Ways to handle the immediate political crisis we're in don't seem to be in his political toolkit.
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Postby trouble » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:00 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:everyone copied my ideas. my work here is done. time to bonk the shower door


name one person who bonked a shower door and went on to be the leader of the united states
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Postby alaska » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:00 pm

reagan mustve bonked at least once
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:04 pm

thrasher wrote:i'm enjoying the conversation as well and I apologize if I've sort of koolaidman'd myself into this thread in any sense. slow work day :) I do appreciate hearing what other people's sense on these things is and it probably prevents me from getting drawn into a facebook argument or something


Even though I don't get involved too often, this place is really a great outlet for reading or discussing politics for me. I gave up on social media political discourse a long time ago but godspeed to those fighting the good fight.
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Postby trouble » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:04 pm

feel like reagan was a bath man
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Postby Celiac » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:07 pm

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Postby tgk » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:08 pm

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y'all didn't spend enough time in the midterms thread
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Postby virile » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:08 pm

alaska wrote:reagan mustve bonked at least once


Children: Maureen Christine Michael Patti Ron

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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:10 pm

Bernie wrote:I don’t think Medicare for all is rhetoric but Bernie isn’t the first politician to talk about universal healthcare so giving him credit for that seems a bit odd idk


as of 2016 wasn't he the only senate sponsor of a medicare for all bill? now it has 16. he deserves some credit for where its gone imo.
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Postby def from above » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:13 pm

Am I the only person on this board seriously intrigued by Andrew Yang?

Honestly asking. I don’t read the US politics threads much
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Postby virile » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:17 pm

def from above wrote:Am I the only person on this board seriously intrigued by Andrew Yang?

Honestly asking. I don’t read the US politics threads much


his book is great and he is the most exciting candidate and i hope he wins #yanggang
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Postby def from above » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:20 pm

Shit I can’t read the tone of that post with any level of confidence

Lol
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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:20 pm

I could make a similar case with the $15 minimum wage. sure it has grassroots support but he has mainstreamed it as a policy of the democratic party to the point his bill has replaced Patty Murray's $12 minimum wage bill (which was the 2015 party proposal) as the House/Senate policy platform
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Postby axelrod gunnarson » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:20 pm

def from above wrote:Am I the only person on this board seriously intrigued by Andrew Yang?

Honestly asking. I don’t read the US politics threads much


I guess its interesting that Pepe-loving NEETs might get him on the debate stage but the libertarian vision for UBI is not something I agree with. Aside from that, he seems to be a bog-standard technocratic Democrat.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:23 pm

Feech La Manna wrote:I don't know if a wealth tax and breaking up Silicon valley are that much more pragmatic than Bernie's ideas. They're rad as hell, but they're just as much of a long shot.


yeah p. much. the question to me is always what they would do with executive power. you will all get bored of me saying it.
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:24 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:I could make a similar case with the $15 minimum wage. sure it has grassroots support but he has mainstreamed it as a policy of the democratic party to the point his bill has replaced Patty Murray's $12 minimum wage bill (which was the 2015 party proposal) as the House/Senate policy platform


This is a personal thing but I don't think $15 min wage is the best way to address financial relief which was something we talked about recently with my #yanggang post.

I think giving Bernie credit for sponsoring the medicare for all bill is one thing but it's like clamouring for Bob Kerrey to run again because he openly talked about single-payer healthcare in 1992 and made it a topic of conversation during the Clinton presidency.
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:25 pm

I honestly don't want to rehash the UBI #yanggang convo so I'm out if we're going to do that again
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Postby thrasher » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:28 pm

bernie isn't the first or only politician to talk about M4A but (and apologies for lapsing into 4th rate dsa rap speak) he is the one vessel we have right now for the mass movement that will probably be needed to realize it. it would be nice if that vessel wasn't an elderly white man but that's kinda all we've got to work with right now

I think clwon or someone else could articulate this much better than me, but some of the most ardent bernie supporters I know are the ones who are most realistic about the fact that electing a democratic socialist president isn't gonna fix all the problems, or even necessarily win any democratic socialist reforms. because yeah the institutional barriers in place are massive. and it's for that reason that we gravitate around a candidate who uses the (maybe at times overblown) rhetoric of mass movements and class warfare rather than looking for the one who is putting forward the most detailed/feasible policy proposals. which isn't to say that bernie doesn't have proposals to back him up
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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:28 pm

its ($15 min wage) barely a way to address inequality at all but it would still make peoples lives better
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Postby virile » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 pm

is giving people money bad i read his book and it seems good
all the people won't have jobs and it will be nice if they have snacks imo
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:37 pm

I think higher taxes on the wealthy used for either expanding the income tax credit or UBI seem like a more realistic relief solution than $15 min wage because I honestly don't think putting the onus on companies or corporation to actually give people the hours and pay them what they're supposed to is ultimately going to actually work. I saw what happened when employers were forced to provide healthcare and proceeded to make employees part time and I don't trust them.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:40 pm



what the fuck man
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Postby axelrod gunnarson » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:44 pm

If you ever wondered what Adult Shaggy would be like, Beto is the answer.
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Postby Chyet » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:44 pm

we don't hate beto for his support of local record stores

local board game stores, though, may be problematic. just never walked into one that would address my wife directly
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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:50 pm

Bernie wrote:I think higher taxes on the wealthy used for either expanding the income tax credit or UBI seem like a more realistic relief solution than $15 min wage because I honestly don't think putting the onus on companies or corporation to actually give people the hours and pay them what they're supposed to is ultimately going to actually work. I saw what happened when employers were forced to provide healthcare and proceeded to make employees part time and I don't trust them.


I like using part timing as a rhetorical bludgeon but I don't think the data is super strong that this actually occured in response to the ACA. I do very much support expanded tax credits of course.
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:01 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:
Bernie wrote:I think higher taxes on the wealthy used for either expanding the income tax credit or UBI seem like a more realistic relief solution than $15 min wage because I honestly don't think putting the onus on companies or corporation to actually give people the hours and pay them what they're supposed to is ultimately going to actually work. I saw what happened when employers were forced to provide healthcare and proceeded to make employees part time and I don't trust them.


I like using part timing as a rhetorical bludgeon but I don't think the data is super strong that this actually occured in response to the ACA. I do very much support expanded tax credits of course.


I've honestly never seen any data on it but it's something that I felt like I saw first hand from friends and also places I worked. If the data doesn't support it then I'll stop talking about it I guess.
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Postby mcwop23 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:06 pm

i thought beto was a lot more viable a couple weeks ago until people actually started to vet him and ask him questions he either has no answer for or terrible answers for

bernie has been doing his thing for like 40 years, he’s the only one i believe could even remotely get something done

maybe he’s being coy about things like the filibuster in order to not scare off all the establishment people about decorum (which probably isn’t fair to do but i’m hopeful)

hopefully AOC will be a great candidate in 2028
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Postby mcwop23 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:08 pm

hasn’t the data from seattle on $15 minimum wage been positive after it was initially shitty?
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