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by vhg » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:40 pm
is Tulsi gonna get a show on Fox News
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by Marx & Engels » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:52 pm
It feels like she should just be setting up a Patreon or something
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by endless dave » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:59 pm
Tulsi is, like her fan Michael Tracey, a person who so obviously forms their constellation of values explicitly after the fact and in response to whatever push they receive. Just the laziest contrarian opportunist
Like I still find it wild that she’s been able to get a look of being an anti imperialist candidate when she was in the fucking military. I understand someone who supported Jeb more than I get her backers
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by Ebbnflo » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:08 am
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by Bob511 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:17 am
endless dave wrote:Like I still find it wild that she’s been able to get a look of being an anti imperialist candidate when she was in the fucking military.
She still
is in the military, but all the same, of all the reasons to be skeptical of her "non-interventionist" posturing, this seems like one of the poorer.
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by Ebbnflo » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:03 am
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by Buzz Fledderjohn » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:27 am
Ebbnflo wrote:The only upside of this, is that if she really does run as a 3p and continues being awful, she may end up helping whoever the dem candidate is by appealing more to the right
Wishful thinking though for someone who, again, is despicable
disagree, no one's going to out-trump trump in terms of bashing "elites" and bowing to the fox news crowd
third party seems to be where this is going
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by Shotfrog » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:54 am
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/10/24/warren-relishes-freaked-out-billionaires-defense-wealth-tax/7pONqNP1ujvKzseajciCsM/story.htmlBehind a paywall, but some enjoyable passages:
“There are some billionaires who say, ‘Whoa! What do you mean tax our fortunes here? After all, I worked hard. I stayed up late,’ ” Warren said during a town hall Thursday on the campus of Dartmouth College. She cocked her head, eliciting chuckles, and quipped: “Wow. Unlike anybody else.”
At an earlier event, she cracked up the crowd by impersonating the critics of her plan. “Two cents to the billionaires? My gosh. How mean to them!” she said to laughter. Warren then went on to outline what her proposed tax would pay for, including universal child care.
She tells audiences that their first $50 million is “free and clear” under her plan, prompting laughter when she mimics the relief she sees in the audience.
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The former Treasury secretary, Larry Summers, said Wednesday on NPR that the tax is “a riverboat gamble with the future of the American economy.” And Harvard economist Greg Mankiw lamented to CNBC that the tax would cause ultra-rich couples to divorce in order to dodge the fee.
Warren is relishing the criticism, tickling audiences in early states by gently mocking concern for the nation’s wealthiest.
“I know there are some billionaires who are freaked out by this — boo hoo,” Warren said to laughter during a town hall at the University of Iowa Monday night. “I’m not proposing this because I’m cranky. I’m not mad at them!”
“The right emphasis is on making sure the taxes are based on the ability to pay and are much more progressive than they are right now,” Summers said. “But it’s not an emphasis on that salvation for the United States is tearing down the wealthy.”
Summers also argued that he believed the tax would be ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, a view the Warren campaign rejects.
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by mcwop23 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:05 am
i’m on board with liz shitting on these fucks’ chests
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by ecto » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:27 am
i always think about rachel maddow proclaiming on election night 2012 that tulsi would be a star in the party
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by nice pass » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:29 am
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by theta » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:33 am
Big Oil wrote:murray st. wrote:G_S wrote:let me reiterate-- Elizabeth Warren fought for and started an agency that regulated capital accumulation and returned value to workers. she might not fully conceive of it that way, but that's what the CFPB does from a Marxist standpoint. why ignore this to accuse her of being a centrist in progressive clothing? it suggests to me that some Bernie supporters are more interested in personalities than a mass movement based on class politics, and they like Bernie's and don't like Warren's. you see it when they have to resort to odd psychological explanations for why they think Warren will betray us, or when they chasten her for building a coalition that includes people who don't hate Obama or whatever.
most bernie voters are extremely ideological and inherently distrustful of anyone who doesn't share their ideology
i think it's an insane way to think about electoral politics, but for those who articulate this clearly and honestly, like many people in this thread do, it's at least consistent; the painful bullshit is when the meagan days of the world have to invent weird conspiracy theories for why warren is secretly a centrist republican because to acknowledge that their dislike of her is shaped by ideology and not rooted in objective and undeniable fact is to forfeit the moral high ground that serves as their only rhetorical weapon
left Twitter is cringey about this shit, but you guys are acting like this stuff happens in a vacuum and isn't born out of what is for most of these people (and most of us) an entire fucking lifetime of national Democratic politicians being left-punching squishes who love hoarders of capital and compromise with reactionaries.
like people don't always express it in the most palatable way but you cannot possibly think that mistrust is irrational given our shitty modern Democratic Party.
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by Hugh » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:35 am
ecto wrote:i always think about rachel maddow proclaiming on election night 2012 that tulsi would be a star in the party
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by goldmatt » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:35 am
Julian is getting desperate.
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by dragon jeans » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:04 am
Saying Bernie supporters care about ideology too much is kinda fundamentally missing the point of ideology.
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by dragon jeans » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:08 am
To paraphrase #resistance Twitter: ideology is the point.
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by Shotfrog » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:09 am
Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism but at least it's an ethos.
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by galactagogue » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:21 am
Big Oil wrote:murray st. wrote:G_S wrote:let me reiterate-- Elizabeth Warren fought for and started an agency that regulated capital accumulation and returned value to workers. she might not fully conceive of it that way, but that's what the CFPB does from a Marxist standpoint. why ignore this to accuse her of being a centrist in progressive clothing? it suggests to me that some Bernie supporters are more interested in personalities than a mass movement based on class politics, and they like Bernie's and don't like Warren's. you see it when they have to resort to odd psychological explanations for why they think Warren will betray us, or when they chasten her for building a coalition that includes people who don't hate Obama or whatever.
most bernie voters are extremely ideological and inherently distrustful of anyone who doesn't share their ideology
i think it's an insane way to think about electoral politics, but for those who articulate this clearly and honestly, like many people in this thread do, it's at least consistent; the painful bullshit is when the meagan days of the world have to invent weird conspiracy theories for why warren is secretly a centrist republican because to acknowledge that their dislike of her is shaped by ideology and not rooted in objective and undeniable fact is to forfeit the moral high ground that serves as their only rhetorical weapon
left Twitter is cringey about this shit, but you guys are acting like this stuff happens in a vacuum and isn't born out of what is for most of these people (and most of us) an entire fucking lifetime of national Democratic politicians being left-punching squishes who love hoarders of capital and compromise with reactionaries.
like people don't always express it in the most palatable way but you cannot possibly think that mistrust is irrational given our shitty modern Democratic Party.
yea, i'm struggling to understand where you are drawing the distinction between ideology & facts here. the subtext just continues to read as 'you're not ALLOWED prefer bernie over her, unless you're doing some kind of creative synthesis of facts'. But that's simply not true. Once more for the people in the back, pretty much every bernie supporter ITT has said they would endorse liz in the general, if it came to that. The difference between them boils down to ideological priorities and i'm not sure there's any more of a 'rational' way to distinguish them...
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by guy forget » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:30 am
Saying “Warren is not anti capitalist or anti imperialist,” which is all anyone in this thread ever really says (I dunno who tf meagan day is) is not the same as “she’s a secret centrist republican.” Both are I guess idealogical statements but one is nonsense no one you’re (Murray st) debating with believes and the other is rooted in fact and experience, as others have said in this very page.
And I’m not sure what “sanders supporters are extremely idealogical and inherently distrustful of...” even means really, or why that’s supposed to be a bad thing
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by murray st. » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:50 am
galactagogue wrote:yea, i'm struggling to understand where you are drawing the distinction between ideology & facts here. the subtext just continues to read as 'you're not ALLOWED prefer bernie over her, unless you're doing some kind of creative synthesis of facts'. But that's simply not true. Once more for the people in the back, pretty much every bernie supporter ITT has said they would endorse liz in the general, if it came to that. The difference between them boils down to ideological priorities and i'm not sure there's any more of a 'rational' way to distinguish them...
more plainly, what i'm saying is just that there's a difference between arguing "elizabeth warren does not share my ideology, and therefore i prefer the candidate who does over her," and "elizabeth warren is lying when she says she wants to make the american economy more equitable," which is what some online chuckleheads argue (in my opinion) inaccurately and in bad faith
this irks me because such an argument affects mainly not people like us who are highly politically active and posting in this thread, and would therefore know better, but lower-information and younger voters who are more likely to tune out of the process entirely if sanders loses the nomination, which all but the most "smh bourgeois electoralism" among us would probably acknowledge is bad
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by theta » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:53 am
it’s more like “elizabeth warren wants to make the economy more equitable but doesn’t really acknowledge why it is inequitable” i.e. the nature of capitalism itself
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by theta » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:55 am
if she gets the nom i think the vast vast majority of bernie supporters will still vote for her (i will) but that will not at all be the case if biden does
edit: lol thanks autocorrect
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by surly » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:55 am
oh god is she gonna kidnap parents now?!?!
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by galactagogue » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:56 am
yeah idk if your paraphrasing is fair to what i've actually seen said elsewhere. Few critiques of warren accuse her of lying but that does seem to be the way things become read/internalized by warren supporters.
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by murray st. » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:56 am
theta wrote:if she gets the mom i think the vast vast majority of bernie supporters will still vote for her (i will) but that will not at all be the case if biden does
i also think this is true, which is a large part of why i support her!
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by theta » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:57 am
what about bernie tho
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by murray st. » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:58 am
galactagogue wrote:yeah idk if your paraphrasing is fair to what i've actually seen said elsewhere. Few critiques of warren accuse her of lying but that does seem to be the take way things become read/internalized by warren supporters.
there are some really bad and moderately influential twitter accounts out there
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by galactagogue » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:59 am
lol fair nuff, i have a curated bubble of people i don't think are that unreasonable but are definitely overtly bernie over liz so maybe i'm naive.
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by theta » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:59 am
twitter is like a tiny percent of the population, it’s really a piss in the ocean
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