The 2020 Primary

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Postby mcwop23 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:14 pm

i’m still feeling burnt by the Gillum race

then again i’m worrying mostly because of head to head polls and the gillum polls were pretty bad apparently!
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Postby odilon redon » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:15 pm

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trouble wrote:i mean the biggest question about sanders coming from people who haven't completely written him off is his age/frailty and a big dumb bandage is quite an unfortunate optic.

He'll be in an iron lung by June.


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you’re kidding yourself if you think footage of bern looking like a goof with the bandage on his head isn’t going to lose him some potential votes.
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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:15 pm

it concerns me that bernie is so old
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Postby mcwop23 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:15 pm

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trouble wrote:i mean the biggest question about sanders coming from people who haven't completely written him off is his age/frailty and a big dumb bandage is quite an unfortunate optic.

He'll be in an iron lung by June.


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you’re kidding yourself if you think footage of bern looking like a goof with the bandage on his head isn’t going to lose him some potential votes.


*checks date*

ok man
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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:16 pm

bernie is a virgo too
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Postby mcwop23 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:16 pm

chowder julius wrote:it concerns me that bernie is so old


yup
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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:16 pm

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Postby alaska » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:17 pm

it's a drag ya.....but still ia m a bernie bro
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Postby thrasher » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Warren confronts class issues but I don't think she frames it as bluntly in the terms of class conflict because, as she says, she is a capitalist. if you listen to a random 1 minute clip of any bernie stump speech it's clear that to him and the people that enthusiastically support him, capitalists and the megarich are the enemy. but yes I agree w others that Warren would be by far my #2 choice and I would happily vote for her

and also yes you are right I'm not really paying attention
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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Bernie wrote:Is it because she’s a woman?


I think the cultural mysogyny stuff is hard to ignore. but it seems like the combination of left + woman puts her in more danger than kamala. I mean its just march 2019 but I keep an eye on the favorables of the field and I worry.

does she inspire people? thats the question to me. maybe she will, and she'll win the primary by building a strong support base. or she won't.
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Postby Sobieski » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:19 pm

Is Beto really a serious candidate? He's served a single term in congress but that's about it
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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:21 pm

i'm glad that beto is running because i think it's great that trump will be distracted firing things off about all of these people and being an asshole for the next two years basically and it's good to have a deep bench for that. these are all of my political opinions lately.
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Postby mcwop23 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:21 pm

beto was a three termer
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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:22 pm

also beto is cute i'm sorry
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Postby mcwop23 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:22 pm

he probably thinks he’s serious
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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:22 pm

he just looks so... nice. such a nice young man
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Postby thrasher » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:24 pm

I think we've determined in the last few pages that beto is the inevitable nominee and also he's probably going to end his campaign tomorrow because he didn't get any money yesterday
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:24 pm

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Bernie wrote:Is it because she’s a woman?


I think the cultural mysogyny stuff is hard to ignore. but it seems like the combination of left + woman puts her in more danger than kamala. I mean its just march 2019 but I keep an eye on the favorables of the field and I worry.

does she inspire people? thats the question to me. maybe she will, and she'll win the primary by building a strong support base. or she won't.


I think these are genuine concerns and I wonder how she will come across on the national stage and I’m hoping that will show through in the debates and on the campaign trail. I get it that Bernie inspires people and he can say a few words and get a crowd going. I think I also have an aversion to populist politicians so this may be a personal thing.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:24 pm

chowder julius wrote:i'm glad that beto is running because i think it's great that trump will be distracted firing things off about all of these people and being an asshole for the next two years basically and it's good to have a deep bench for that. these are all of my political opinions lately.



im glad hes running because hes a great source of content. i may be sick but I hate basketball so
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:25 pm

I didn’t see Beto as a serious candidate but I think my mind was changed a few pages back
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Postby Sobieski » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:26 pm

mcwop23 wrote:beto was a three termer

Ok, ok credit where credit is due

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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:26 pm

beto's not gonna win either
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Postby alaska » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:26 pm

i like beto's hot carpool dad phase more than his goatee punk phase but i stil have to give this

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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:27 pm

animorphs beto has been posted in this thread right? can someone quote it for the page please
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Postby alaska » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 pm

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Postby chowder julius » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 pm

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Postby Polygraph Shakira » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 pm

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palmer eldritch wrote:if elected, he will do the same thing with the green deal anyone else in the field will, which is nothing because it will never pass congress

Yeah. I'm pretty much out on Bernie 2020, and find much of the effusive rhetoric around him and how singular of a candidate he is to be pretty unearned given how tepid his campaign has been so far. Warren is the only candidate I'm excited about and have hope for.


can you elaborate on this? I'll admit I haven't really followed the horserace at all so far so I don't have my own impressions of this. but it seems so early to judge, especially someone with an enthusiastic base of support like sanders.

and idk to me bernie is clearly the only candidate who is going to place class conflict as a central part of his messaging, and tbh that's the only reason i'm supporting him (I'll ultimately vote for whoever the dem is but I don't think I'd ever donate or volunteer or even try to convince anyone to vote for anyone else). i can't imagine anyone else including warren ever broaching that territory. I could elaborate on why I think his campaign is very much singular but I don't actually have anything interesting to say so I will refrain


As (our) Bernie said, I feel like he and his supporters have been coasting off of the 2016 campaign and he hasn't really brought out any novel policy or structural change ideas since his last campaign. Even the whole "look at how much better he is on race!" thing seems like a calculation based on political strategy instead of a natural growth of the candidate. And I'm not even dinging him for that because I never felt like that was a major issue with him, I'm just not really seeing anything new or radical from him in a time where newness and radicalness are needed. The Democratic Party has more or less come in line with his ideas rhetorically, so what's the main benefit he's bringing when everyone is aping his language? Authenticity, sure, but he's not giving me any reason to believe he'd be an effective President at all. I'm mainly reacting to his filibuster comments btw. I'd just like to see more detail and vision from him, and I'm getting tired of the line "Well, he's a Democratic Socialist you know!"...ok, what does that mean for the Presidency in 2020? I feel like Liz is bringing more concrete plans and has a bigger vision, while the message I'm still getting from Bernie is about a vague revolution. Starting to feel kinda Obama '08-esque in the way people are filling in their hopes and dreams into this vessel.

Sorry, this was prompted by a very annoying argument I just had with a few people saying he's going to nationalize industries.
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Postby Bernie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:31 pm

I really should have changed my username a long time ago. Del even brought it up during the previous dem primary.
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Postby Polygraph Shakira » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:31 pm

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palmer eldritch wrote:if elected, he will do the same thing with the green deal anyone else in the field will, which is nothing because it will never pass congress

Yeah. I'm pretty much out on Bernie 2020, and find much of the effusive rhetoric around him and how singular of a candidate he is to be pretty unearned given how tepid his campaign has been so far. Warren is the only candidate I'm excited about and have hope for.


I don't really follow, because in many ways he -has- been a singular force in mainstreaming ideas that were considered kooky left stuff before.

Yeah, exactly, he mainstreamed the ideas last election. That's the work he has done. What has he been doing now, and what will he do moving forward, to distinguish himself?
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Postby Polygraph Shakira » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:32 pm

fuck this thread moves quickly! later days!
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