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Postby Meeps » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:18 am



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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:39 am

uh NV much??
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:48 am

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Postby shirts optional » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:07 pm

i'm most surprised at how harris has cratered
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:11 pm

same. it's still early but i honestly expected her to be the leader of the more centrist wing.

out of that group, she's definitely the one who would most easily beat trump imo.
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Postby mcwop23 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:18 pm

i have concerns after seeing head to head polls and stories like that one about the 75 year old woman who just wants a man to be president that there’s just enough ingrained patriarchal tendencies that knocks off a few points nationally amongst the women candidates. This is anecdotal too amongst my family who hate Biden and Warren but like Pete and Bernie. They basically have no idea who Harris is. Has Warren done better lately in the head to heads at all now that she’s rising?
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:18 pm

harris picked up some CBC endorsements today, actually
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Postby mcwop23 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:19 pm

also do head to heads matter in June 2019?

Bernie was always better than Hillary in them vs Trump despite losing handily to her
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:20 pm

probably not as much as favorability scores
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:22 pm

mcwop23 wrote:i have concerns after seeing head to head polls and stories like that one about the 75 year old woman who just wants a man to be president that there’s just enough ingrained patriarchal tendencies that knocks off a few points nationally amongst the women candidates. This is anecdotal too amongst my family who hate Biden and Warren but like Pete and Bernie. They basically have no idea who Harris is. Has Warren done better lately in the head to heads at all now that she’s rising?


i agree that entrenched patriarchy is a challenge but remember that hillary won the popular vote and that harris is significantly more talented at campaigning and PR than hillary. i don't like harris' politics and even i have to admit that she is really, really good at the performance part of congressional hearings and stuff and that's a skill that's translatable to elections.

obviously, i want bernie and don't think he's the general election risk that a lot of people seem to think that he is, but out of the very objective and scientific "people i don't like" camp, on paper she seems like she'd be the strongest challenger.
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:24 pm

really, though, i think that outside of biden, beto, and buttigieg basically all of the front tier candidates could pretty easily beat trump.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:28 pm

beto would of won
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:28 pm

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Postby Cronos » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:29 pm

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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:36 pm

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i know that this is just a silly poll done for fun but it reminds me so much of that stupid microtargeting trend from the mid-2000s where campaigns were commissioning researchers to write articles like, "people who have more books are more likely to vote democrat, while people who have more sports paraphernalia are more likely to vote republican" and i hate it.
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:38 pm

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Postby guy forget » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:59 pm

I read books and love wearing Red Sox gear and that’s why I’m voting for Andrew Yang
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:13 pm

something i don't think has been counted enough regarding biden's strength is the basic idea that most of us were happy to vote for him (twice!) for VP and therefore we shouldn't have any issue voting him for president. it's not like all the negatives being trod out now weren't there when biden left office with sky high approval ratings and while things may have changed a lot in the past 3 years i don't think they've changed enough to overcome this mindset for most people.
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:58 pm

that stuff was almost never litigated when he was VP because his entire public persona was based around his relationship to obama rather than anything having to do with his actual political history.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:03 pm

everyone was distracted by sarah palin during 2008
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Postby quinine » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:07 pm

also no one votes for vp, and he didn't *do* anything as vp for anyone to have an opinion on
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Postby quinine » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:09 pm

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I'd just like to take a moment to stop an appreciate that despite all this general horribleness, we currently have two serious progressive candidates for US president who are tripping all over themselves to come up with the most progressive platform and that's something that hasn't ever happened in my entire lifetime
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 pm

quinine wrote:also no one votes for vp


but they do, that's what i'm referring to, the literal punching of the ballot, twice, for joe biden, is not something to be discounted because it was "only" for VP.
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:17 pm

i'm pretty sure most of those people were voting for the incredibly popular presidential candidate
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:18 pm

and you don't think that obama halo will extend to 2020?
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:21 pm

light rail coyote wrote:that stuff was almost never litigated when he was VP because his entire public persona was based around his relationship to obama rather than anything having to do with his actual political history.


unmaking people's minds on a subject is hard
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:22 pm

not if joe spends the entire primary talking about how well he gets along with segregationists or condescendingly shitting on people who have student and medical debt, two issues that are very much at the forefront for the majority of the "obama coalition" which was mostly POC and voters under 30.
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Postby walt whitman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:27 pm

light rail coyote wrote:not if joe spends the entire primary talking about how well he gets along with segregationists or condescendingly shitting on people who have student and medical debt, two issues that are very much at the forefront for the majority of the "obama coalition" which was mostly POC and voters under 30.

breaking his support from black voters will be the task for the progressive candidates, rich dems won't be persuaded away
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