The 2020 Primary

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Postby shark week » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:42 pm

going to bat for Raytheon, regardless of its employer status in the state you represent, is fucking gross
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Postby razzle » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:56 pm

I bought a bernie hat today and donated 10 extra
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Postby Polygraph Shakira » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:58 pm

I remember this same line of attack rolled out against Bernie with Lockheed Martin. Seemed weak then and seems weak now.
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Postby shark week » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:10 pm

Polygraph Shakira wrote:I remember this same line of attack rolled out against Bernie with Lockheed Martin. Seemed weak then and seems weak now.


that was bad too!
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Postby loaf angel » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:13 pm

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man, it's gotta be Bernie
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Postby cam'ron hubbard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:16 pm

not to discredit the facts in the article, but it mainly exists due to republican oppo research. i suppose they got the headline that they wanted.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:19 pm

bernie's merch store should have donkey kong tropical freeze
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Postby shark week » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:21 pm

wario lopez wrote:not to discredit the facts in the article, but it mainly exists due to republican oppo research. i suppose they got the headline that they wanted.


who the fuck cares

these corps need to be disavowed at all costs

i don't think that's a controversial thing.

Warren has made other public statements during this primary that indicate she will continue with the strong tradition of US imperialism. and i think it's ridiculous to celebrate her attacking a former Raytheon exec in a confirmation hearing on the grounds of being dishonest to American taxpayers given the death and destruction Raytheon is responsible for in Yemen.

she even released a specific statement, via her spokeswoman, disavowing the use of weapons in Yemen. all of that seems pretty weak given her framing of these issues.
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Postby cam'ron hubbard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:40 pm

the strength of the evidence is what it comes down to:

In her first year in the Senate, Warren joined other members of the Massachusetts delegation in fighting proposed cuts to the Army’s Warfighter Information Network-Tactical program, a battlefield communications network known as WIN-T that the Government Accountability Office has cited for unplanned cost increases and performance deficiencies. The Pentagon was seeking to shift $128 million away from the program to pay for Afghanistan war costs — a reprogramming request that was blocked by the congressional defense panels following a lobbying campaign orchestrated by General Dynamics.


Diverting funding from the Afghanistan war.

including facility visits and at least one phone call to Raytheon’s chief executive.


facility visits and a phone call

In a 2013 letter to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, she and then-Sen. Mo Cowan, a fellow Democrat from Massachusetts, said the radios “represent technology and acquisition success stories” — despite the poor grades they’d received in combat tests and a controversial acquisition strategy that allowed just two vendors during the low-rate production stage: General Dynamics and Rockwell Collins.

radios aren't weapons. while it could be argued that any additional funding benefits them as a whole thus supplying more weapons, it seems like this money would be allocated either way, to rockwell collins or funding the afganistan war.

She also accepted more than $80,000 in donations from the defense industry from 2011 to 2018

10k per year over 8 years (likely from individual donors). she raised ~40+ million in her 2012 race alone.


The executive said Warren's made an effort to reach out to defense companies, including visits to Raytheon and General Dynamics facilities in her state, and that "there's certainly not an impression that she's adversarial" to big-name contracting firms. "The folks that work in our industry are just as much her constituents as anybody else is," said the executive, who requested anonymity to speak candidly.

Raytheon, which is headquartered in Massachusetts, "has a positive relationship with Sen. Warren, and we interact with her and her staff regularly," said company spokesman Michael Doble.

there is absolutely nothing here.
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Postby cam'ron hubbard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:49 pm

speaking of framing, it's honestly laughable.

Esper, a Gulf War veteran who served for years in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill


Senator after senator thanked him for his service and expressed confidence that he would sail through to confirmation.


Lawmakers seem eager to confirm Esper quickly as the Pentagon enters its seventh straight month without a permanent leader.


That did not stop Warren from laying into Esper during a contentious exchange in which she repeatedly interrupted him and spoke loudly over the chairman’s gavel.


the story ends with
In an indication of the committee’s leanings, Inhofe apologized to Esper on Warren’s behalf after the exchange.

“It was unfair, and you handled it beautifully,” he said.
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Postby cam'ron hubbard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:50 pm

"there's certainly not an impression that she's adversarial," the most damning phrase in the 2020 primaries.
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Postby shark week » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:54 pm

if you don't think that's damning, i don't know what to tell you

obviously we have different priorities
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:59 pm

pobody's nerfect
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Postby cam'ron hubbard » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:06 pm

i'll concede that the green military proposal sucks ass and is way more damning than this nonsense could ever be, but really, this isn't the hill to die on. especially when she seems like an oppositional vote against confirmation.
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Postby Debbie » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:10 pm

No Bernie
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Postby trouble » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:19 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:bernie's merch store should have donkey kong tropical freeze


just get the game already
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:36 pm

it's still over six months to the iowa caucus though
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Postby quilty » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:42 pm

Cronos wrote:
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big zorb wrote:
Feech La Manna wrote:OMG



This kicks ass

it’s still bernie. get in the game https://actblue.com/donate/bern-site


Just donated. Posting links works.

fuck yeah
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Postby surly » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:57 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:it's still over six months to the iowa caucus though

it'll take you at least that long to beat donkey kong country tropical freeze
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Postby Mr Spaceship » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:24 am

Bernie good
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Postby Amblin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:48 am

surly wrote:
palmer eldritch wrote:it's still over six months to the iowa caucus though

it'll take you at least that long to beat donkey kong country tropical freeze



Not if you play in Funky Kong mode
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Postby Kenny » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:14 am

mcwop23 wrote:everyone here will smash that biden button when the time comes because we vote

mcwop23 wrote:except petty


As long as the ridiculous electoral college means my California vote is pretty safe
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Postby incoherent grunting » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:19 am

Kenny wrote:
mcwop23 wrote:everyone here will smash that biden button when the time comes because we vote

mcwop23 wrote:except petty


As long as the ridiculous electoral college means my California vote is pretty safe


not if Marianne runs 3rd party
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Postby tgk » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:22 am

Lol

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Postby murray st. » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:33 am

loaf angel wrote:man, it's gotta be Bernie


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Postby Ferrous Bueller » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:46 am

looks like two posts to me
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Postby farmer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:18 am

hey murray st you wanna clarify how bidens not a liar again or just run away and keep pretending to be a journalist. what the fuck are you even doing in here
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Postby Kenny » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:20 am

incoherent grunting wrote:
Kenny wrote:
mcwop23 wrote:everyone here will smash that biden button when the time comes because we vote

mcwop23 wrote:except petty


As long as the ridiculous electoral college means my California vote is pretty safe


not if Marianne runs 3rd party


Yeah, I mean, I won't know what I'll vote really until closer to the date but I will of course vote for the Dem candidate if there's any chance of a split vote etc.

I said this last time and got a bunch of heat for it, but I was probably going to vote for Hilary last time until Michelle Obama tried to browbeat third party voters saying any vote not Hilary was for Trump which made me say "Fuck it, California is going Hilary anyway, I'm voting with my real views"

I feel a lot more defeated about American politics this time around though and may just vote for the Democrat candidate just to not poison my brain by looking into the black hole of American politics as little as possible.
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Postby big zorb » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:31 am

Damn, petty pwned michelle obama!
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Postby Kenny » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:33 am

It's not about pwning her, it's about how her dumb statement solidified by own feelings
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