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Postby Polygraph Shakira » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:39 pm

guy forget wrote:I wouldn’t put it like that but I do think this is a uniquely ripe time for instituting mass social change (or attempting to do so, anyway)

The type of mass social change that will be needed to unfuck the world isn't going to come down to electing Bernard Sanders instead of Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 US Presidential election.
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:40 pm

Yeah

And things are going the one way but it’s barely not too late for them to go the other
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:40 pm

Polygraph Shakira wrote:
guy forget wrote:I wouldn’t put it like that but I do think this is a uniquely ripe time for instituting mass social change (or attempting to do so, anyway)

The type of mass social change that will be needed to unfuck the world isn't going to come down to electing Bernard Sanders instead of Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 US Presidential election.


No but in my last post I said “beginning the work” and I meant those words deliberately
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Postby surly » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:41 pm

i can't believe guy would put it like that smh
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:41 pm

Oh I misread your post sry

I think I agree but am unsure
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Postby big zorb » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:41 pm

Polygraph Shakira wrote:
guy forget wrote:I wouldn’t put it like that but I do think this is a uniquely ripe time for instituting mass social change (or attempting to do so, anyway)

The type of mass social change that will be needed to unfuck the world isn't going to come down to electing Bernard Sanders instead of Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 US Presidential election.


Electing bernie sanders would move the overton window in a massive massive way
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:42 pm

big zorb wrote:
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guy forget wrote:I wouldn’t put it like that but I do think this is a uniquely ripe time for instituting mass social change (or attempting to do so, anyway)

The type of mass social change that will be needed to unfuck the world isn't going to come down to electing Bernard Sanders instead of Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 US Presidential election.


Electing bernie sanders would move the overton window in a massive massive way


Both would really but I think each would move...different Overton windows? Is that even possible?
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Postby big zorb » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:42 pm

Electing an avowed democratic socialist as the president of the united states would be massively groundbreaking, what are you talking about
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:43 pm

Can you even move a window? Is politics like The Sims? I like to think so. In conclusion,
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Postby big zorb » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:43 pm

Not you, guy
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:43 pm

big zorb wrote:Electing an avowed democratic socialist as the president of the united states would be massively groundbreaking, what are you talking about


Who me? I’m agreeing with you!
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:43 pm

Phew I was gonna say!
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Postby Big Oil » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:53 pm

i've never understood this assumption that reform and revolutionary systemic-change rhetoric are mutually exclusive. it's ahistorical and untrue.
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Postby endless dave » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:53 pm

big zorb wrote:Electing an avowed democratic socialist as the president of the united states would be massively groundbreaking, what are you talking about


Ok that might be true (even if “the Overton window” is basically astronomy at this point), what are you saying it leads to?

After two landslide victories for the first black president, we then elected the guy who led the public charge calling him a secret African Muslim
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:54 pm

The thing about the critique about Warren and imperialism is that it’s not without teeth. Her continued bungling of the Cherokee ancestry question is, I think, a result of her slowness to prioritize American imperialism in her campaign. She never questioned the family story and still I don’t think truly understands what Native activists want from her because she is not trained to think deeply about the many way imperialism manifests (like inherently anti indigenous concepts such as blood quantum). This stands in stark contrast to Sanders. Whether you think that’s fatal to her resume as a candidate is up to you but you shouldn’t pretend it’s not there or that people who levy that comparison are doing so in bad faith.
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Postby my piano » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:56 pm

really feel like the 'first black president' thing has a portion of tokenism to it by now. obama fucking sucked.
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:56 pm

endless dave wrote:
big zorb wrote:Electing an avowed democratic socialist as the president of the united states would be massively groundbreaking, what are you talking about


Ok that might be true (even if “the Overton window” is basically astronomy at this point), what are you saying it leads to?

After two landslide victories for the first black president, we then elected the guy who led the public charge calling him a secret African Muslim


More openly leftist politicians and policies being taken seriously? Promoting major backlash too for sure, you’re def. not wrong about that.
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Postby my piano » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:56 pm

and still sucks btw
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:57 pm

my piano wrote:really feel like the 'first black president' thing has a portion of tokenism to it by now. obama fucking sucked.


As a white person I really feel uncomfortable thinking this way
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Postby Durham » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:57 pm

Had a nightmare thought that Biden collapses because of an astroturfed “Draft Hillary” campaign that sucks up all of his support
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Postby my piano » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:58 pm

guy forget wrote:
my piano wrote:really feel like the 'first black president' thing has a portion of tokenism to it by now. obama fucking sucked.


As a white person I really feel uncomfortable thinking this way


i mean yeah i felt bad making that post but also can't help internally scoffing a bit every time the line comes up. how much more than perfunctory was it really?
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Postby palmer eldritch » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:59 pm

imperialist criticisms are fair but can we have a moratorium on the capitalist to her bones thing. saying it makes you look ridiculous.
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:00 pm

I dunno but if you’re white (and I dunno if you are!) I would be more circumspect about making pronouncements about all that he meant and symbolized. Whether he lived up to his progressive promise is another matter entirely, but I’d hesitate in the whole “his race meant nothing in the end” line of reasoning
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Postby Pops Freshenmeyer » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:01 pm

It was a bad post
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Postby endless dave » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:01 pm

my piano wrote:
guy forget wrote:
my piano wrote:really feel like the 'first black president' thing has a portion of tokenism to it by now. obama fucking sucked.


As a white person I really feel uncomfortable thinking this way


i mean yeah i felt bad making that post but also can't help internally scoffing a bit every time the line comes up. how much more than perfunctory was it really?


I’d really suggest spending a little more time dwelling on that bad feeling!
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:02 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:imperialist criticisms are fair but can we have a moratorium on the capitalist to her bones thing. saying it makes you look ridiculous.


I’d be interested in reading why you think it’s ridic
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Postby virtuous » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:03 pm

endless dave wrote:
big zorb wrote:Electing an avowed democratic socialist as the president of the united states would be massively groundbreaking, what are you talking about


Ok that might be true (even if “the Overton window” is basically astronomy at this point), what are you saying it leads to?

After two landslide victories for the first black president, we then elected the guy who led the public charge calling him a secret African Muslim

Jesus Christ - I see posts like this and it just solidified how fucking doomed we are.

Obama fucking sucked pal.
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:03 pm

:|
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Postby guy forget » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:04 pm

I feel like we are talking about several different things here
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Postby sympathy » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:05 pm

Pops Freshenmeyer wrote:my extremely dumb analogy is I think warren has a better chance of steering the titanic to barely avoid the iceberg while Bernie will provide an amazing critique of the crash in real time

it help if Bernie would come out in favor of abolishing the filibuster, something warren has basically led the way on


I love how everyone finds the filibuster EXTREMELY important now when none of you gave a shit about it or even remembered it existed until buttface brought it up 6 months ago

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