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Postby odilon redon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:04 pm

once upon a time in...exhausting aggro movie discourse
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Postby odilon redon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:04 pm

more movie titles should use ellipses imo fight me
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Postby draw » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:57 pm

Denise wrote:
draw wrote:why's everyone mad at each other in here


FUCK OFFFFFF

Ahhhhh Kelly Clarkson!!!
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Postby cud nylon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:30 pm

The actor Olyphant was playing:
Motorcycle accident
On September 27, 1973, Stacy was taking Claire Cox[3][4] for a ride on his motorcycle in the Hollywood Hills when a drunken driver struck them. She died and Stacy lost his left arm and leg. Stacy's ex-wife, actress and singer Connie Stevens, organized a 1974 celebrity gala to raise money for his expenses. The gala, whose attendees included Frank Sinatra and Barbra Streisand, raised $118,000 ($0.6 million today) for his expenses.[2] In 1976, he won a $1.9 million lawsuit ($8.4 million today) against the bar that had served the drunk driver.[2][3]

Arrest and conviction
In November 1995, Stacy pleaded no contest to a charge of molesting an 11-year-old girl.[9] On December 7, 1995, he failed to appear for sentencing in Ventura County Superior Court and was arrested the next day in a Honolulu, Hawaii, hospital after having fled California. He attempted suicide by jumping off a cliff. After recovering, Stacy waived extradition and returned to California. On March 5, 1996, he received a six-year prison sentence. The prosecutor in the case initially said she believed Stacy might have been eligible for probation for the molestation, but his post-arrest behavior, coupled with two arrests in June 1995 for prowling at the homes of other girls,[2] led her to seek a prison sentence.[10][11] He served his sentence at the California Institution for Men at Chino.[2]

Any more chomos portrayed in this other than him and Polanski?
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Postby Milk » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:06 pm

manvstrees wrote:what's dumb and trite would not be using it when you're set up to call back to it
fuck kinda movie does that



I believe in writer's jargon they call that sort of call back Tarantino's Flamethrower.
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Postby kirito » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:22 pm

Sweet Gregory Pectin wrote:rick (sheepishly): so its sunday night.. would you want to stay and watch my fbi with me
cliff: i already figured we would be i brought a six pack in the back

fist pumped at this
They say more money more problems. Bring on the problems. Bring on the problems. Bring on the muhfuckin problems.
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Postby Poptone » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:26 pm

kirito wrote:
Sweet Gregory Pectin wrote:rick (sheepishly): so its sunday night.. would you want to stay and watch my fbi with me
cliff: i already figured we would be i brought a six pack in the back

fist pumped at this


everyone should have a cliff in their life
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Postby Viola Swamp » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:42 pm

my signif was so pissed at the johnny guitar ripoff shot
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Postby Poptone » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:47 pm

so perfect having super un-hip Rick Dalton do a cover of Green Door

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Postby incoherent grunting » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:26 pm

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Postby blackbetty » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:15 pm

Really liked this, usually don't love his movies and think they're too crass. Seemed at times like every cut took us to a slightly different world. I woke up this morning thinking about quantum mechanics and the observer effect after seeing this last night
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Postby Buzz Fledderjohn » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:39 pm

well the fuckin' hippies ain't
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Postby hells bells » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:58 pm

<3 Sadie. Sad she got torched.
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Postby davideotape » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:03 pm

going in for a second watch tonight, gonna specifically try to hate it
oh, word?
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Postby blackbetty » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:27 pm

Anyone else waiting for Helter skelter the whole damn movie
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Postby kirito » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:07 pm

sushi x wrote:<3 Sadie. Sad she got torched.

go away
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Postby Bananafish » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:57 pm

I didn’t really get the killing his wife bit. So the guy who saves Sharon Tate allegedly killed his wife?

If his wife is an allusion to Natalie Wood, and the only scene we see of his wife is her being “annoying”, is QT saying Natalie Wood deserved to die?

I don’t get it because I liked the movie but this one part just makes it all seem thematically incoherent. I don’t buy the “It was just a nod to Hollywood Babylon/whatever” argument.

How is it a victory? Brad Pitt’s wife wasn’t saved. Charles Manson went to prison but Robert Wagner never faced any consequences.

These are all half formed thoughts, just got out of seeing it. The whole theatre laughing at the women getting mauled at the end, deserved or not, didn’t help things.
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Postby Eyeball Kid » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:05 pm

What a completely odd reading into Cliff's backstory.
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Postby kirito » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:12 pm

killing your wife is fine as long as she was being loud and obnoxious while you were being chill as hell
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Postby Eyeball Kid » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:16 pm

And yes, Tarantino HATED Natalie Wood and told Christopher Walken as much when the latter arrived on the set of Pulp Fiction.
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Postby Bananafish » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:54 pm

fair enough I could’ve worded my post better

I just thought that by including that cliff backstory scene it created this weird dynamic that seems thematically at odds with the rest of the movie where one woman is allowed to live while the other has to die
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Postby The Producer » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:44 pm

Bananafish wrote:I just thought that by including that cliff backstory scene it created this weird dynamic that seems thematically at odds with the rest of the movie where one woman is allowed to live while the other has to die


no it didnt, the movie wasnt about her in the way it was abt Tate (it's more about the Manson murderer women than his wife even) and the flashback is within a flashback and not Cliff's recollection but someone else's (Rick or Randy) imagining it based on the rumors/trial and sets up a moment of shock/doubt for Bruce Lee secondguessing his shittalk when someone mentions it to him and now it has more weight for us the audience than just as hearsay from Randy

It also contrasts with Cliff being up for the fight with Lee whereas (whether he killed her on purpose or the crescendoing wave sound made him shoot the harpoon gun ala Marvin in Pulp Fiction) she wasnt being "annoying" "loud" or "obnoxious" she was taunting him, calling him the boringest man and literally saying she wants to fight and he deflates from excitedly getting ready to go into the water to sitting still and unable to look at her directly - again, not saying that makes her deserve to die, but it's in contrast to how up he is to fight Lee and if he's telling the truth to Tex later then how he punched a cop, etc - it's complicating Cliff the way Rick has been complicated leaving Tate the only pure/innocent lead character
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Postby separator » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:51 pm

please add a poll on whether he killed his wife, because i'm a definite no
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Postby The Producer » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm

he killed her, it's just whether it's an accident or not

also it's not a 1:1 w/ Wood who drowned and wasnt shot with a harpoon anyway, he's borrowing tones of mystique not facts, Hal Needham's booze didnt need a buddy either, acid's for HIPPIES!
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Postby FourLegsGood » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:28 pm

It's obviously meant to recall Wood but she's not a proxy and, in fact, I question whether the incomplete "flashback" we are watching is actually intended to be an accurate account or just Cliff imagining how others believe the scene went down. If he is supposed to have killed her, it feels glaringly incongruous with how his ethics and morality are demonstrated throughout the rest of the film. I can see how this is a sticking point for so many people and how this might be the biggest flaw in QT's dual revisionist history of Hollywood and indictment of the culture. I believe that its supposed to evoke the internal policing of major crimes within The Hollywood system while simultaneously fleshing out Pitt's hard-luck character and it can't do both without either unintentionally exonerating Wagner (which I don't imagine is QT's intent) or inadvertently blessing the incident as just some inevitable byproduct of Hollywood culture (which I hope it isn't). It's provocative, for sure, but it's definitely an unattended development in an otherwise well-honed project.
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Postby FourLegsGood » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 pm

Like, the only way the boat scene works for me with the rest of the film is if Cliff is imagining a caricaturization of what others believe actually happened. That ties up the only major loose thread I felt within the story.
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Postby emotional fascism » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:16 pm

came to wreck wrote:4 hour director's cut coming to netflix....


that's rad
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Postby Honk For Dracula » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:34 pm

kirito wrote:killing your wife is fine as long as she was being loud and obnoxious while you were being chill as hell


it's never confirmed he killed his wife ftr
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Postby someguy » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:02 pm

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