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Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:40 pm
by Sweet Gregory Pectin
spix et chicho wrote:the shitty boyfriend thing is so half-assed. who even are these people, who cares what happens to them? they're a series of empty vessels


i hate supposed to be bad

BUT!

the movie is from dani's perspective not from the men in the movie they are non descript and disposable to help explain why dani eventually sides with cult it's like showing the beginning of the wizard of oz in black and white

they are giving her nothing only pelle shows any interest in her but even then it's only to take advantage of her as he's trying to sacrifice all his friends

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:53 pm
by Sweet Gregory Pectin
i thought the movie was okay when i saw it but whenever anyone tries to explain why they didn't like it just makes me like it more somehow

am i fucked up ain't i a stinker

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:54 pm
by Sweet Gregory Pectin

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:58 pm
by landspeedrecord
I don't think it's wrong at all

for me the film is amazing on paper aka conceptually, but the filmmaking didn't quite deliver on its message

even still, it's going for something really interesting, and even if it didn't work 100% for me, it's still super interesting and gave me a lot to chew on

I'd rather watch some imperfect work striving for something greater than anything safe anyday

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:58 pm
by it's the suspense that gets me
mellowgold wrote:I’m glad I’m not the only person who saw queer themes in this and in hereditary.
http://dimthehouselights.com/2019/07/midsommar-is-queer-and-camp-actually/


i still haven't seen midsommar (will probably go sunday night) but yeah no absolutely i have no idea what my take on hereditary would be if i didn't but it's a big part of why it worked for me.

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:03 pm
by landspeedrecord
I can only speak for myself, but I found the inability of the family to connect with one another in hereditary (and the subsequent ruptures) to be very affecting

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:05 pm
by landspeedrecord
the horror/genre aspects of hereditary paled in comparison to the emotional truths

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:14 pm
by landspeedrecord
the success of midsommar hinges on its emotional connection w the audience. I was a bit removed tbh

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:41 pm
by MikeyJ
landspeedrecord wrote:the entire film focuses on how a group of westerners view/react to foreign rituals that are depicted without judgment


weird you could also look at it how its also about climate change and the inability of the patriarcial capitalist system to stop devouring itself!! tediois plot and characters, stay for the ideas.

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:49 pm
by gauchebag
going to see the 11pm have avoided spoilers but really excited from what little i heard. never watched hereditary.

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:55 pm
by walt whitman
john plainman 2 wrote:I wish I had screenshots of the boyfriends ambient male aggression throughout the movie. he looks so pissed off whenever he's sitting at the dinner table, or on the edge of his bed, etc.it was great

omg yes! Jack Reynor and Florence Pugh give such masterful performances.

the film early on shows that you can't trust their dialogue; instead, you have to decipher meaning from their faces, their scrunched shoulders, the way they tug at their shirts, or in the boyfriend's case- his flared nostrils- to see what they are 'really' feeling.

i was especially drawn to dani's face, and how her true feelings - and discomfort- often leaks out, even when she tries to wear a mask and appear 'neutral.' it's a quality that i think a lot of us suffer from- being unable to hide emotions in order to 'save face.'

aster trusts us enough to foreground the ambiguity of his characters. i appreciate that. obviously many horror films feature characters whose dialogue doesn't make sense and can't be trusted. but midsommar almost puts you in the position of an armchair anthropologist, watching everyone's behavior, gesture and dialogue in a hyper-analytical way

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:57 pm
by ripersnifle
has Lights seen this?

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:36 am
by surly
lotta bad opinions itt!

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:46 am
by Locke
which ones

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:07 am
by Slamwich Artist
John Dark wrote:
walt whitman wrote:one of the best movies about anthropology


If you reduce anthropology to the number of times characters say "My thesis!" maybe.

Lol. I liked when the Swedish guy said “we respect the incest taboo” or whatever the fuck, like straight out of a freshman anthro textbook

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:53 am
by jalapeño ranch
The more I think on this, the more it really does feel similar to Fabrice du Welz's work (namely Vinyan and to a lesser extent Calvaire). The slow dread of descent that culminates into a sort of distorted euphoria as the main character finally succumbs to their surroundings.

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:28 am
by angel eyes
just saw this after avoiding spoilers for weeks. 100% banger, better than hereditary which tried to do way too much. we loves it.

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:00 am
by carlagain
the may queenToggle Spoiler

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:23 am
by carlagain
it’s difficult but you’re all right basically. making a movie is a weird posture. it’s nuanced direction and performance but that’s also all good movies. and all good movies are queer movies. it’s true the image has no autonomy. the boyfriend is half assed like a shittt boyfriend. there’s a foot in the flower bed. the may queen

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 am
by carlagain
pelle was niceToggle Spoiler

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:25 am
by angel eyes
carlagain wrote:pelle was niceToggle Spoiler


i really wanted him and the main girl to get together at the end :/Toggle Spoiler

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:10 am
by shame dawg
john plainman 2 wrote:I wish I had screenshots of the boyfriends ambient male aggression throughout the movie. he looks so pissed off whenever he's sitting at the dinner table, or on the edge of his bed, etc.it was great


Totally agree, actually thought his body language was by far the most affecting part of what was otherwise probably the weakest acting of the cast, at least in terms of delivery/dialogue?

Something about seeing a standard CW drama looking bro hunching his shoulders, grimacing and generally ugly resistance emotionally and physically to Dani throughout the film did it for me. It’s the type of fuckheads I know irl

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:57 am
by mellowgold
goofy's dead wife wrote:
mellowgold wrote:I’m glad I’m not the only person who saw queer themes in this and in hereditary.
http://dimthehouselights.com/2019/07/midsommar-is-queer-and-camp-actually/


i still haven't seen midsommar (will probably go sunday night) but yeah no absolutely i have no idea what my take on hereditary would be if i didn't but it's a big part of why it worked for me.


landspeedrecord wrote:I can only speak for myself, but I found the inability of the family to connect with one another in hereditary (and the subsequent ruptures) to be very affecting




Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:34 am
by Slamwich Artist
Thought the subtitles were a questionable choice—didn’t really add anything significant you couldn’t get from context, lessened the alienness of the setting (although maybe that was the point?). Also this is pedantic but what was with the spelling ”affekts” in the subtitles toward the end? Just a fuck-up? Latin root so not really a plausible ancient pagan technical term or anything

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:17 pm
by alaska
landspeedrecord wrote:the success of midsommar hinges on its emotional connection w the audience. I was a bit removed tbh


yeah and like ftr while my enthusiasm for this movie is deep and abiding i had also literally (for unanticipated time-constraint reasons) just hotboxed a car in the mall parking garage like a fucking adolescent so i was Down As All Hell

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:24 pm
by landspeedrecord
I very much wish I had hotboxed a car in a mall parking lot beforehand

now I want to hotbox a car

next time I’m in providence, let’s hotbox a car, alaska

it doesn’t have to be in a mall parking lot, but that does sound ideal tbh

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:25 pm
by alaska
hell yeah

come through and we can park somewhere and smoke some primo fall river, ma dispensary kush

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:01 pm
by walt whitman
carlagain wrote:it’s difficult but you’re all right basically. making a movie is a weird posture. it’s nuanced direction and performance but that’s also all good movies. and all good movies are queer movies. it’s true the image has no autonomy. the boyfriend is half assed like a shittt boyfriend. there’s a foot in the flower bed. the may queen

sick post, archive, delete thread

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:02 pm
by tonybricker
ASH NERVE wrote:
carlagain wrote:pelle was niceToggle Spoiler


i really wanted him and the main girl to get together at the end :/Toggle Spoiler


isn't it heavily implied that this is going to happen?

Or is my read on that completely off

Re: Hereditary, Midsommar (7/3)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:22 pm
by walt whitman
i tend to agree with folx who've said the film swerves away from hetero coupling (see the queer reading/comparison of Hårga to Oz, a few pages back)