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Postby Ferrous Bueller » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:04 pm

what do you do for the skin around the edge of your nostrils

it's terrible, just some real dogshit skin
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Postby Merciel » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:46 am

What's wrong with it, is it just getting really dry in the winter?
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Postby grace cathedral park » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:06 am

Sounds like you need a humidifier
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Postby chowder julius » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:28 pm

i got a facial on christmas and my skin is still amazing over a week later. she must have slathered me in hyaluronic acid lol my face is so juicy

gonna buy a stupid expensive hyaluronic acid moisturizer. i've been thinking about getting botox or a tiny amount of filler but i also know that life is short and death is inevitable
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Postby chowder julius » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:33 pm

my facialist was SO good, she explained why my face had texture in certain spots and what i should look for in skincare products and what to talk to a dermatologist about if i decide to see one. it was cool, i learned a lot about how skin works. shoko at premier 57 in nyc is great!!
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Postby chowder julius » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:54 pm

any ptr heads in here? i'm thinking about... serums

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Postby new blood, » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:06 pm

i dont understand serums at all lol

i wish i did. all i do is alternate cold and hot and think i'm a genius, but its just cause i'm frugal dangit
i was just going to suggest that maybe everybody should cool out maybe
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Postby Merciel » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:04 am

Serums are just more concentrated formulas of various ingredients, some of which are legit and some of which are bogus.

If you want to get semi-obsessive about a skincare regimen, the ones I'd recommend are: (1) retinol serum (no need to get fancy, the Neutrogena one I recommended in the other thread that costs about $20-25 is fine); (2) vitamin C serum (CE Ferulic and its cheaper dupe, C Firma, are the cult favorites on that front, but I actually found them both to be complete garbage on my skin. Totally ineffective, made me break out like a motherfucker, and the foul smell lingered an unbelievably long time, so I returned both of those promptly. My recommendation would instead go to Ole Henriksen's Truth Serum, which smells much better and works nicely); and (3) some form of acid (I'm currently using Sunday Riley's Good Genes lactic acid treatment, which is great for me; Biologique Recherche's Lotion P50V is supposed to be best-in-class for this category, but I haven't seen noticeably better results with that).

You may also want to add in an eye cream. Optional but IMO worth it. Peptides and caffeine are common ingredients in eye creams, as is Vitamin C for the brightening effect. I don't have a strong rec on this front, it really just depends what you feel like your skin needs most in that area. I'm using Drunk Elephant's Shaba Complex and it's fine but I don't think I'll re-up when I've exhausted this bottle.

Once you've made your picks, the cycle goes:

NIGHT
- wash face
[if you're using a mask, the mask goes here]
- apply retinol serum to clean, dry skin
[optional: eye cream here]
- follow with moisturizer

DAY
- wash face
[if you're using a mask, the mask goes here]
- apply vitamin C serum to clean, dry skin
- apply acid serum
[optional: eye cream here]
- follow with moisturizer AND SUNSCREEN, it is very important not to skip the sunscreen if you're using vitamin C and/or acid serums, because both of those will make your skin more susceptible to sun damage
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Postby Merciel » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:14 am

Also fwiw I got a facial at the best spa in the city today and it was fine but I don't think it was essential by any measure. The whole experience is extremely soothing and indulgent, and it was pretty funny listening to the other clients chat in the waiting lounge (I didn't even know Philly had network drama producers), and I definitely appreciated the aesthetician's skill, but in the end the results weren't any better than what I get at home using the products I listed above.

It's fine and all, but I think next time I want to set a pile of money on fire I'll just go to an actual cosmetic dermatologist and/or massage therapist. The spa treatment is, IMO, more for maintaining what you have than fixing anything.
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Postby new blood, » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:32 am

Ooo thank you! I think I can totally do a night routine but I'm so lazy in the morning. Have to wake up early and enjoy my mornings more

My gf and I can only afford stuff like this if we share and she's really fed up with my Dr bronner bullshit and honestly so am I. Half the stuff on that bottle doesn't even make sense!

I am in my hometown (Lansdale waddup waddup) for the holidays and the options are OK. Wegmans and REI are the best I can do right now lol
i was just going to suggest that maybe everybody should cool out maybe
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Postby Merciel » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:43 am

I said this in the other thread (whatever other thread that even was, I can't remember right now) but honestly the expensive stuff makes like 2% of a difference at most.

You're totally fine using Neutrogena. IMO the Neutrogena anti-acne face cleanser is better than everything else I've tried, and I've tried everything they'll sell you over the counter. If you're using a good cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen, you're getting 98% of the results that anybody else is by setting hundreds more dollars on fire. The rest is down to life habits and genetics, and there is no product they can sell you that will change that fundamental fact.

If you want to try the Ole Henriksen stuff without breaking the bank (because that's the only one where I think there's a markedly better result using the pricey version vs. drugstore stuff), get the travel kit off Sephora. It's got good sample sizes of 3 products (the moisturizer and serum are good, the cleanser is kind of worthless, but at that price it's a wash), you can buy it online, and they take returns for store credit if it's a total failure for you.
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Postby Merciel » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:46 pm

Seems relevant to the thread so I'll drop this here: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... th/579337/

The general folk wisdom of skin care has two simple steps. Step 1: Do healthy things. Wash your face, avoid the sun, stay hydrated, wear sunscreen, and get plenty of sleep. Step 2: Apply the right goop to your face, in the form of creams and serums. This advice is repeated time and again in women’s media, with an almost religious authority. If you find the right product and live the skin-care lifestyle (No alcohol! No dairy! Don’t enjoy anything!), then you will be rewarded with the glow of the youthful and righteous.

In this advice is a little sleight of hand. The guidance usually comes from the wealthy, who have all the access in the world to the best skin products and treatments, and it tends to overemphasize the importance of lifestyle while sweeping under the rug the actual cost of tinkering with your facial chemistry. Celebrities wouldn’t be as distractingly beautiful without dermatologists, estheticians, and the women behind the beauty counters at Bergdorf Goodman. You can drink as much water and wear as much sunscreen as you want, but the most effective skin-care trick is being rich.

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Which is not to say that a diet of fresh foods, plenty of water, and eight hours of sleep every night don’t affect how your skin looks; studies have demonstrated links between all three and physical appearance, and they’ll help most people achieve the modest goal of looking totally fine. Unless you’re very young and even more genetically gifted, though, self-denial won’t get the results it promises. What its constant recommendation in place of expensive beauty products belies is how closely tied those factors also are to wealth. Only some people have access to a diet of fresh fruits and vegetables. Only some people have the kinds of jobs with steady schedules that allow for a good night’s sleep. Only some people can drink the water that comes out of their faucet.

[...]

Skin tends to be the most visible proof of a person’s accumulated lifestyle, and that only becomes truer as people age. The past few years have been a boom time for skin care, as the oldest Millennials begin their late 30s and start to wrinkle around the eyes. Soon, they’ll need more than just a fancy cream to get results, because skin loses volume as the body ages, no matter how good your products are. That’s when fillers and Botox come in, and when the high prices of those treatments mean class differences are even more easily elucidated by the condition of a person’s skin.


I'm not totally sure I buy all the article's arguments (you don't actually have to be rich to afford premium skincare; you just need a certain amount of disposable income, which is totally affordable on a middle-class budget as long as you don't have major debts or kids; there are plenty of rich people who don't give a shit about this and plenty of middle-class people who do, and the people who put their time and money into this particular priority reliably look better than the ones who don't), but I think there's enough truth there to warrant highlighting.
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Postby grace cathedral park » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:23 pm

I feel like they changed something in baby formula after 1994 because I keep carding 24 year olds at work that look like they’re about to qualify for social security and it’s like god damn.

My coworkers all think I’m 18 and it’s like, no, I’m 28 I’m way older than you.
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Postby elaine » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:24 pm

i just buy an aloe vera leaf, cut a little piece off 3 times a day, eat out the slime, rub the rest over my face, people usually guess me 3-4 years younger than i am and i'm a smoking alcoholic, so i don't know, aloe vera seems pretty trustworthy to me
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Postby chowder julius » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:42 pm

i bought this after talking w my facialist about different types of products for my oily, dull, textured skin

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it works! three days in and i am glowing! it's only $15! i am going to buy the moisturizer from the effaclar line now too. i get lots of blackheads and bumps and this has made my skin so soft and smooth already, the week before my period too
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Postby kayke » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:45 pm

That's the brand of sunscreen I use and I love it. I never thought of trying any of their other products, but I guess I should look into it...
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Postby jca » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:31 pm

Yeah that cleanser is so nice
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Postby Gussie Fink-Nottle » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:56 am

Should squalane go on before or after my usual moisturiser? Or is it more of a play it by ear thing and see what feels better?
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Postby port » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:12 am

Gussie Fink-Nottle wrote:Should squalane go on before or after my usual moisturiser? Or is it more of a play it by ear thing and see what feels better?

I use it before, personally. All serums and potions first, followed by moisturizer and finally sunscreen.
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Postby OLD SAINT RIXX » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:23 am

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chad wrote:hi all. i honestly didn't know if i should share this because i want to be the Hot One but tbh it would be great if we all became hot so i'm going for it!!!

my retinol is amazing. I started using PETER THOMAS ROTH Professional 3% Retinoid Plus literally for the first time last night. it's so worth the money. i want to post a b4 and after shot but i seriously look random right now so i won't. it's already made such a difference wowww


it's been six months would you be able to give us an update on this product user chad? hipinion needs to know if PTR is still 'bae'


I read some science-y article recently that said retinol is basically the only stuff that actually works for reducing skin wrinkles/aging

i don't reallyhave a problem with my face yet but maybe i'll buy some just to be safe
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Postby chowder julius » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:04 am

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Gussie Fink-Nottle wrote:Should squalane go on before or after my usual moisturiser? Or is it more of a play it by ear thing and see what feels better?

I use it before, personally. All serums and potions first, followed by moisturizer and finally sunscreen.

the idea is to go from lightest consistency product to thickest. so serums and such first and creams later
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Postby dvr » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:39 am

anyone ever burn their lip from coffee?

i don't think it's a cold sore
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Postby Merciel » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:09 am

RIXX wrote:
black mamba wrote:
chad wrote:hi all. i honestly didn't know if i should share this because i want to be the Hot One but tbh it would be great if we all became hot so i'm going for it!!!

my retinol is amazing. I started using PETER THOMAS ROTH Professional 3% Retinoid Plus literally for the first time last night. it's so worth the money. i want to post a b4 and after shot but i seriously look random right now so i won't. it's already made such a difference wowww


it's been six months would you be able to give us an update on this product user chad? hipinion needs to know if PTR is still 'bae'


I read some science-y article recently that said retinol is basically the only stuff that actually works for reducing skin wrinkles/aging

i don't reallyhave a problem with my face yet but maybe i'll buy some just to be safe


It's not the only (OTC topical) thing but it is, besides sunscreen, the most effective thing, so if you're only going to use one magic potion (besides sunscreen) it should be retinol. Most dermatologists recommend starting use in your 20s as a preventative even before anything starts showing.

I like and use a lot of PTR products but you don't have to go super high end to see effects. Retinol's been around since the '70s and there are plenty of drugstore formulations that work perfectly well. This is not to say that the expensive stuff isn't better, because I have reluctantly been converted into believing that the magic potions really do have a degree of magic, but using any kind of retinol serum + good lifestyle habits + regular sunscreen and moisturizer = maximum result for minimum effort.
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Postby kayke » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:05 pm

This winter has been killing my lips. I can't seem to find anything that will keep them moisturized for more than a few hours, never mind overnight.
I just did a sugar scrub and started using Rosebud Salve because I read that it was good?
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So far it's very glossy and sticky which is not something I'm into, but will deal with if it works. If anyone has any suggestions for hydrating lip stuff, please lay em on me.
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Postby odilon redon » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:10 pm

kayke wrote:This winter has been killing my lips. I can't seem to find anything that will keep them moisturized for more than a few hours, never mind overnight.
I just did a sugar scrub and started using Rosebud Salve because I read that it was good?
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So far it's very glossy and sticky which is not something I'm into, but will deal with if it works. If anyone has any suggestions for hydrating lip stuff, please lay em on me.


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Postby bill » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:24 pm

elizabeth arden 8 hour creme is my HG for lips although you may hate the smell. seems expensive but a tube has lasted me a year and i use it for everything, including emergency hair gel lol
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Postby Merciel » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:36 pm

Specifically for overnight I love Laneige Sleeping Mask. It's glossy, it's fairly girly (pink-tinted, berry-scented gloop that you apply with a tiny pink-tipped silicone brush, because only girls care about lips! lol!), but it works really fucking well and it's not annoying to wear while sleeping, which was my big fear going in.

Apply, blot lightly to reach a level you can bear, go to sleep, wake up with moisturized lips that stay nice all day. I get terribly chapped lips in winter usually and Chapstick is minimally effective. Since I took up with Laneige, it's only been a problem if I forget to use the lip mask twice in a row.
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Postby chowder julius » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:39 pm

kayke are you dehydrated? chapped lips are the first sign for me that I'm not drinking enough water
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Postby kayke » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:44 pm

I feel like I'm drinking enough water, but who can say for sure.
I'm going to start trying out these options and up my water game. Thanks, all!
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Postby mancubz » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:24 pm

i had a dream last night that i got lip injections but the places where the needle'd gone in never stopped bleeding
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