Jesus fucking Christ, Morrissey

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
You're all fakes
Run to your mansions
Come around
We'll kick your ass in

Postby speakers » Wed May 15, 2019 10:04 pm

no none of that is obvious
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed May 15, 2019 10:06 pm

speakers wrote:
furrowed brow wrote:
speakers wrote:it’s a fair criticism brow but i think your math is wrong


How's that?


i don’t think me, say, not attending a rally is a “moral comprise” equivalent to you attending a Morrisey show


You're right attending a Morrissey show is -10 morality points while not attending a rally you easily could have is only -5.
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Postby speakers » Wed May 15, 2019 10:07 pm

glad we’ve settled this
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Postby brent » Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 pm

gonna be fun when we have this same thread about thom yorke in a few years
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Postby Kevin McCallister » Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 pm

furrowed brow wrote:
Kevin McCallister wrote:
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Kevin McCallister wrote:Every well meaning "my vote doesn't matter" non-voter is saying the same thing.


Doesn't fucking matter dude! Every person in this scenario are making independent decisions which are causally unrelated to each other.


So this is a matter of a wide net of people lacking empathy and acting selfishly if they refuse to see the bigger picture.
I dunno I don't want to be a part of that club and I'm surprised you want to be a part of it yourself.


Dawg, I never said i was a part of it you idiot. I'm making you consider the other side of this, which you obviously have never done.


Is it really stupid of me to assume these are your opinions when you're making these posts without any clarification that you're... playing devil's advocate or something?

Perhaps this is what Morrissey has been doing all the while...
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed May 15, 2019 10:09 pm

All I'm saying is the ease of this decision for people itt is probably largely do to the fact that none of us really care about Morrissey anymore.
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Postby waldojeffers1 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:10 pm

Morrissey sucks
oh no someone save us
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Postby Denise » Wed May 15, 2019 10:17 pm

Well now hold on a sec
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed May 15, 2019 10:18 pm

Kevin McCallister wrote:Is it really stupid of me to assume these are your opinions when you're making these posts without any clarification that you're... playing devil's advocate or something?

Perhaps this is what Morrissey has been doing all the while...


These aren't even opinions, they're just facts. Will one consumer's giving money to Morrissey have any effect on the guy's ability to spew racist garbage in the media? No, not unless a gigantic statistical anomaly occurs. Will one vote be decisive in a (presumably national) election? No, not unless a gigantic statistical anomaly occurs.

I haven't said anything about whether it is indeed right or wrong to do or not do those things given those facts, but what I've strongly implied is that a person's decision to do or not do them will probably hinge on how much a personal sacrifice they require as much as anything else. And we all could be sacrificing more, we could always be more altruistic, but at a certain point we have to be able to live our lives with our own needs and desires in mind. Giving up Morrissey's music is, largely, for people itt a sacrifice so small it isn't even worth calling it as such, but for others this isn't necessarily the case, and for them the decision is likely more difficult.
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 10:20 pm

This Thread Has Opened My Eyes
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed May 15, 2019 10:21 pm

Idk, I don't even know why I said anything and I'm sorry I got so angry and called people names.
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed May 15, 2019 10:21 pm

Idk, I don't even know why I said anything and I'm sorry I got so angry and called people names.
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Postby Denise » Wed May 15, 2019 10:22 pm

Now My Eyes Are Full (Of Xenophobia)
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 10:22 pm

There Is a White That Never Goes Out
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Postby Denise » Wed May 15, 2019 10:23 pm

Frankly, Mr Shankly, that does not sound like an Anglo Saxon surname would you mind going back to Jordan?
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed May 15, 2019 10:25 pm

Like, regarding the voting dilemma, do you fault those for whom it is very difficult to vote for not doing so? I vote, but it is also very, very easy for me to do so. If I lived in a place with stricter voting laws or ones that are indeed calibrated to prevent people like me from voting, things might be very different.
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Postby Denise » Wed May 15, 2019 10:27 pm

Uh
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 10:28 pm

Well, you see, Barbarism Begins at Home
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Postby badhat » Wed May 15, 2019 10:44 pm

i dont judge anyone for struggling with something like this. i just dont identify with it, bc as i've mentioned elsewhere itt and the board, its not like a principled stance for me, the people being shit just makes it hard for me to connect with the work. i dont have to exercise self control to not listen to the smiths or kanye, I just have no interest, and when i do hear them, it kinda makes me sad and angry.
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 10:48 pm

oh hey look Bigmouth Strikes Again
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Postby badhat » Wed May 15, 2019 10:51 pm

i respect what youre doing here
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Postby thrasher » Thu May 16, 2019 12:29 pm

badhat wrote:i dont judge anyone for struggling with something like this. i just dont identify with it, bc as i've mentioned elsewhere itt and the board, its not like a principled stance for me, the people being shit just makes it hard for me to connect with the work. i dont have to exercise self control to not listen to the smiths or kanye, I just have no interest, and when i do hear them, it kinda makes me sad and angry.

yeah this is definitely how I felt wrt Kanye, like I listened to Pablo a ton when it came out but I still haven't heard the new one. and it's not out of any kind of principled stand, the whole situation just kinda entirely killed my desire to engage with his music. I will probably come back around on him again tho now that it seems he has stepped back a bit
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Postby fester » Thu May 16, 2019 12:43 pm

bands we can listen to instead of the smiths(?):

the sundays
the feelies
orange juice
aztec camera
the field mice

please let me know if any of these are fascist

also add to the list
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Postby Riverchrist » Thu May 16, 2019 12:46 pm

I dunno, the Feelies have that cookie-related gaslighting controversy.
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Postby Poptone » Thu May 16, 2019 12:51 pm

Christmas Ape wrote:A really good balm for hating Morrissey more and more and having it retrospectively taint the smiths for me was reading Marr’s memoir a couple of months ago.

Just an exceedingly generous and humane person, and it becomes clear his influence on the band wasn’t just musical but deeply aesthetic overall, it’s a balm to remember it wasn’t just the Morrissey show and how much of what remains compassionate and welcoming in the art was the work of the other players


co-signed

also read There Is a Light That Never Goes Out

Marr & Co. hotboxing the studio actually writing all those amazing songs while Morrissey was off having some dumb fit about something
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Postby brent » Thu May 16, 2019 12:52 pm

fester wrote:bands we can listen to instead of the smiths(?):

the sundays
the feelies
orange juice
aztec camera
the field mice

please let me know if any of these are fascist

also add to the list

style council 8-)
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Postby cartola » Thu May 16, 2019 1:00 pm

Brad Lee Cooper wrote:Frankly, Mr Shankly, that does not sound like an Anglo Saxon surname would you mind going back to Jordan?

Wow
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Postby badhat » Thu May 16, 2019 1:49 pm

brent wrote:
fester wrote:bands we can listen to instead of the smiths(?):

the sundays
the feelies
orange juice
aztec camera
the field mice

please let me know if any of these are fascist

also add to the list

style council 8-)


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Postby Ted Pikul » Thu May 16, 2019 1:57 pm

don't forget Gene!!

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Postby badhat » Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 pm

my most dont@me opinion i dont bring up much is that Reading Writing and Arithmetic is better than any smiths album anyway so...
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