brittle wrote:yeah, if people are really mourning the loss of this structure that's cool and valid and you 100% have my sympathy
but as someone who feels absolutely nothing for this event, i can't help but think that many people's reaction is somehwere between 'art-lover' virtue signaling and social media tragedy porn.
but i'm also not ruling out the possibility that maybe i'm just a psychopath.
sorry to those who are hurting right now.
argent wrote:brittle wrote:yeah, if people are really mourning the loss of this structure that's cool and valid and you 100% have my sympathy
but as someone who feels absolutely nothing for this event, i can't help but think that many people's reaction is somehwere between 'art-lover' virtue signaling and social media tragedy porn.
but i'm also not ruling out the possibility that maybe i'm just a psychopath.
sorry to those who are hurting right now.
I feel like the posts ITT about the personal connection many people feel to this place should tell you that it’s not just people trying to show off?
Like, I don’t know if I’d feel as strongly if the Taj Mahal was destroyed. I’d feel bad, but not having seen it, it would have less of an impact. But I probably wouldn’t assume that people who were upset about it were faking it for some weird reason.
bunejug wrote:alaska wrote:man the tone i feel i need to strike to respond to this event is very strange
this expectation of solemnity is sort of what I'm getting at. how is that sadness constructed without prompting, but only for specific losses? why do people feel like these treasures are a global heritage when this globalized, open-access mentality is fictitious for most (migrants, refugees)? not just responding to reactions in this thread, but the general discourse around historic monuments and art. it'd be nice if that desire for cross-cultural learning was reflected in economic and social systems, but the very nature of these sites and artifacts being presented as a universal human commons depends on an extractive industry rooted in economic and social exclusion.
we should be critical of how the media portrays these events, this isn't a virtue-signaling woke twitter take. macron has been tear gassing his own citizens who are protesting for economic justice, yet instead most press outlets will cover his vow to reconstruct the cathedral. this plan will most likely be funded partially by former french colonies whose citizens probably will not ever see notre dame let alone be able to step on european soil. I'm happy that it's structurally sound and that much of the art was saved, but I still think it's worthwhile deconstructing the symbolic politics and the material violence that preserve these sites and that prompt such strong reactions when these sites are threatened/destroyed.
The French billionaire Bernard Arnault and his luxury goods group LVMH promised on Tuesday to donate €200m (£170m), hours after his longstanding rival François Pinault, the fashion and retail magnate, announced he was giving €100m.
The Bettencourt family, part-owners of L’Oréal, will contribute €200m, the energy group Total €100m, and the brothers Martin and Olivier Bouygues of the eponymous construction, media and telecoms firm announced a personal donation of €10m, as did an American couple, Henry and Marie-Josée Kravis.
The mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, said the city would provide €50m and organise an international donors’ conference to coordinate gifts from abroad. The Île-de-France region of which Paris is a part pledged a further €10m.
Macron has said a national appeal, likely to be accompanied by tax incentives, would be launched as soon as possible, and the privately run French Heritage Foundation said its call for donations had raised €2m from individuals by midday on Tuesday.
A range of fundraising events have already been announced, including benefit matches featuring France’s World Cup football champions and a star-studded concert to be broadcast on Saturday night on French public television.
Unesco has said it will help France assess and repair the damage to the cathedral, which typically welcomes 13 million visitors a year, while Italy, Russia and Germany all offered to send restoration experts.
monkey d stiltzkin wrote:pure poppycock from Seamus yet again
Ides of Smarch wrote:brittle if grenfell made you sad and angry, you're not a psychopath. not all structure fires are equal.
i get why people are sad about this. it doesn't need further emphasis. but when billionaires immediately donate ridiculous sums of money toward restoration, i reflexively feel more than a little bit of cynicism and disgust, honestly.
Seamus wrote:So according to the Guardian there is over 600m euro pledged to rebuild this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/hundreds-millions-pledged-help-rebuild-notre-dame-after-fireThe French billionaire Bernard Arnault and his luxury goods group LVMH promised on Tuesday to donate €200m (£170m), hours after his longstanding rival François Pinault, the fashion and retail magnate, announced he was giving €100m.
The Bettencourt family, part-owners of L’Oréal, will contribute €200m, the energy group Total €100m, and the brothers Martin and Olivier Bouygues of the eponymous construction, media and telecoms firm announced a personal donation of €10m, as did an American couple, Henry and Marie-Josée Kravis.
The mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, said the city would provide €50m and organise an international donors’ conference to coordinate gifts from abroad. The Île-de-France region of which Paris is a part pledged a further €10m.
Macron has said a national appeal, likely to be accompanied by tax incentives, would be launched as soon as possible, and the privately run French Heritage Foundation said its call for donations had raised €2m from individuals by midday on Tuesday.
A range of fundraising events have already been announced, including benefit matches featuring France’s World Cup football champions and a star-studded concert to be broadcast on Saturday night on French public television.
Unesco has said it will help France assess and repair the damage to the cathedral, which typically welcomes 13 million visitors a year, while Italy, Russia and Germany all offered to send restoration experts.
no mention of the catholic church donating anything yet.
I know it can be shitty to criticise how people spend their money, but I feel nauseous at how much money can emerge in the space of 24 hours to repair a building.
Kenny wrote:Dang, the catholic church burning it to raise interest for renovations is a pretty good conspiracy. Explains all the cool stuff surviving
wendy wrote:as a rule i try not to believe in ghosts but i agree that the facts laid out here are irrefutable
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