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Postby Deep Vneck » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:38 pm

the only thing i know about Milwaukee is beer and Jeffrey Dahmer but for some reason i've always wanted to check it out.
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Postby big zorb » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:03 am

Kit fox could I cut it in traverse city
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Postby port » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:04 am

Madison or Milwaukee, I love them both.
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Postby blog stat » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:56 pm

alaska wrote:i was born in ohio ama


wait

where
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Postby Milquetoaster Strudels » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:02 am

St. Paul has a diverse mixture of top notch restaurants and a walkable downtown that almost make up for how damn quiet it is. I'd probably have to go with Milwaukee, though.

Louisville and Pittsburgh are definitely not midwestern
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Postby port » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:59 am

Let's see...

Madison
Milwaukee
Detroit
Cincinnati
Columbus (hot take!)
Cleveland

I do not consider KCMO Midwest.
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Postby brent » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:11 am

what would you consider it?
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Postby clouds » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:32 am

the kcmo not being in the midwest thing always blows my mind on this board. it's probably the southernmost sizable midwest city, but it's midwest for sure. i consider mids loud.

wikipedia gets this one right, except southern missouri ozarks are not in the midwest. northern missouri farm country is tho.

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Postby Milquetoaster Strudels » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:39 am

KC has always struck me as being very midwestern
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Postby brent » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:57 am

clouds wrote:southern missouri ozarks are not in the midwest. northern missouri farm country is tho.

this is exactly how i see it too
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Postby Marx & Engels » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:00 am

KC, Madison and Milwaukee are the best ones imo

Never been to Detroit tho
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Postby Tar Pit » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:06 am

lmao @ Pittsburg being midwest
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Postby kit fox » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:07 am

big zorb wrote:Kit fox could I cut it in traverse city



well i know you dont like winter, but i think you could make it work if you were living close to downtown.

summers there are goddamn gorgeous but theyre basically just late june to early september, which is literally summer i guess. fall is good too. lots of trees.
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Postby brent » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:09 am

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green = great plains
red = midwest
brown = rust belt
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Postby incoherent grunting » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 am

brent wrote:Image
green = great plains
red = midwest
brown = rust belt

What's west of the green? rockies?! The West!?
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Postby brent » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:28 am

yep the rockies
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Postby port » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:34 am

It may not be the Deep South but KC has a distinctly southern feel to it. They even have their own style of bbq!
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Postby guy forget » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:44 am

It also feels like the west to me, a true crossroads
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Postby powderfinger » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:44 am

I just cannot accept the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Kansas as part of the midwest. The patterns/timeline of European settlement, later internal migration, economic development, and deindustrialization are very different. Trying to lump them together is reductive and seems to hang mostly on an overly literal interpretation of "midwest."
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Postby guy forget » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:49 am

South Dakotans divide their state along the Missouri. East is Midwest, west is West.

But they’re all nonsense, sticky, labels. When I teach History of the West I have my ~30 students draw maps of where they think the West is and invariably get 30 different maps.
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Postby guy forget » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:50 am

powderfinger wrote:I just cannot accept the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Kansas as part of the midwest. The patterns/timeline of European settlement, later internal migration, economic development, and deindustrialization are very different. Trying to lump them together is reductive and seems to hang mostly on an overly literal interpretation of "midwest."


Spain colonized California, New Mexico, Texas long before Europeans conquered the Great Plains, too.
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Postby banquo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:11 am

going to need to update the point of reference on some of these directional names.

really amazed the East was gracious enough not to just call themselves "center" or "here"
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Postby terminus » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:15 am

eastern south dakota is very flat and essentially like iowa in every respect even if people here pretend that it's not. it's midwest.
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Postby brent » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:21 am

terminus wrote:eastern south dakota is very flat and essentially like iowa in every respect even if people here pretend that it's not. it's midwest.

yea. honestly that panhandle area of NE + black hills/badlands area of SD + devils tower area of WY are kind of their own little thing in my mind but i'm sure there is a few little funky spots like that scattered throughout my map in other regions that i don't know about too
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Postby brent » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:22 am

guy forget wrote:South Dakotans divide their state along the Missouri. East is Midwest, west is West.

But they’re all nonsense, sticky, labels. When I teach History of the West I have my ~30 students draw maps of where they think the West is and invariably get 30 different maps.

feel free to use my map in your classes guy.
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Postby clouds » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:02 pm

port wrote:It may not be the Deep South but KC has a distinctly southern feel to it. They even have their own style of bbq!


it for sure has a southern feel but then again so do some neighborhoods in lots of non-southern cities. kc style bbq is black bbq, black people in america all came from the southern states, the great migration brought the south to the midwest ie chicago.

2 of my big qualifiers for midwest states are: lots of flat farmland, hot summers, harsh winters. kcmo has the first 2 solidly and gets enough harsh winters to skate by (it gets a few too many annual frosts to fall solidly in the humid subtropical climate the south is in)

south is the confederate states
northeast is ohio/pa border to the atlantic*
the west is states that have real mountains in them or are west of the rockies, which is west of a north-south line from new mexico to montana**

remaining states, like the one i live in, are regionless lost lands.

*parts of PA are regionless lost lands too, too, but i work in generalities
**far west texas has real mountains but texas is it's own region if we're being honest
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Postby clouds » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm

guy forget wrote:South Dakotans divide their state along the Missouri. East is Midwest, west is West.


makes sense. the missouri used to be the inarguable east/west divider. st.louis and omaha were where the west started back when beaver hats were in style.
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Postby Autarch » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:14 pm

kit fox wrote:
big zorb wrote:Kit fox could I cut it in traverse city



well i know you dont like winter, but i think you could make it work if you were living close to downtown.

summers there are goddamn gorgeous but theyre basically just late june to early september, which is literally summer i guess. fall is good too. lots of trees.


gonna be in traverse city in a week and a half with a big group. got any recs for good things to do/places to eat?
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Postby Dennis Moore » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:14 pm

powderfinger wrote:an overly literal interpretation of "midwest."
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