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Postby kit fox » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:07 pm

everything they're saying re: testing, about what they're gonna do to make playing football safe is pretty much exactly what striking grad instructors and lecturers at michigan have been striking to get for educators to make teaching safe, the whole fucking point of the universities. but president schlissel told them they can't "test their way to safety". fucking crazy.
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Postby Catullus » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:17 pm

tbh we need to stop thinking about 'regular life'.

It will never be the same again. We need to shift our entire thinking around this. The fact that so many people are stubbornly pretending everything is fine now is what brought us to this place. America is a garbage nation, nothing has brought that more to light than this, though obviously the signs have been glaringly obvious for..ever.
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Postby kit fox » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:39 pm

yep infuriating. lets have football for some normalcy

meanwhile



the ingham county health department has now quarantined SPECIFIC ADDRESSES because they have been hosting parties. MSU isn't even doing in person classes.
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Postby bigcat » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:47 pm

I imagine in his own way Redfield is referring to this idea that's making the rounds - and kind of makes sense to me, tho I am no medical expert:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2026913
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Postby cartola » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:13 pm

Catullus wrote:tbh we need to stop thinking about 'regular life'.

It will never be the same again. We need to shift our entire thinking around this. The fact that so many people are stubbornly pretending everything is fine now is what brought us to this place. America is a garbage nation, nothing has brought that more to light than this, though obviously the signs have been glaringly obvious for..ever.

ugh, this!!
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Postby xxx-xxx-xxxx » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:21 pm

had a dream the other night where i was sitting at a banquet and hearing light applause for a speaker over the clanking of dinnerware. woke up feeling like complete shit
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Postby lights » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:08 pm

Catullus wrote:tbh we need to stop thinking about 'regular life'.

It will never be the same again. We need to shift our entire thinking around this. The fact that so many people are stubbornly pretending everything is fine now is what brought us to this place. America is a garbage nation, nothing has brought that more to light than this, though obviously the signs have been glaringly obvious for..ever.


It could easily just slip back into "normal life" after this, like the US did after the 1918 pandemic. My worry is that we'll shift back into "normal" behavior without learning any lessons about the importance of preventative medicine, nationalized response strategies, and sufficient economic support for vulnerable communities.
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:15 pm

the evidence that things will never be the same again seems light, tbh

if you wanna argue for covid as one of many precipitating factors that will eventually lead to social collapse i'm willing to buy it but specifically around social distancing, masking, health care, all that stuff, none of it's going to change
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Postby Bob511 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:20 pm

What even is a "normal life" without Stein Mart, though?
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Postby Ted Pikul » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:24 pm

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Postby ten chimneys » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:26 pm

lights wrote:
Catullus wrote:tbh we need to stop thinking about 'regular life'.

It will never be the same again. We need to shift our entire thinking around this. The fact that so many people are stubbornly pretending everything is fine now is what brought us to this place. America is a garbage nation, nothing has brought that more to light than this, though obviously the signs have been glaringly obvious for..ever.


It could easily just slip back into "normal life" after this, like the US did after the 1918 pandemic. My worry is that we'll shift back into "normal" behavior without learning any lessons about the importance of preventative medicine, nationalized response strategies, and sufficient economic support for vulnerable communities.

we will absolutely not learn any lessons about the importance of preventative medicine, nationalized response strategies, and sufficient economic support for vulnerable communities and in fact the next time this happens it's gonna be even worse because our house-of-cards country is already collapsing
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Postby LaAbeja » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:31 pm

xxx-xxx-xxxx wrote:
This Guy wrote:
I’ve been possibly foolishly thinking of the vaccine as the light at the end of the tunnel


this is probably more in response to the reality of that 2024 report where the entire world wont get it until then--- we need to brace ourselves for the fact that we may need to wait years to get our own personal vaccine shot


I had a whole pointlessly long post but I left the tab open too long and it got eaten.

Gonna recc this one more time and then take a break for a least a week, but really good podcast on public health:


USA being all-in on a vax is fucking criminal. Effective way to minimize spread is right in front of our eyes, just give people money to live and have them actually stay home like we almost pretended to do. Operation Warp Speed lmao. Rushing testing/skipping phases means we'll never be able to have useful data and doom all future testing.

Check out the section on 1935 for how bad testing basically delayed a polio vaccine 20 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

It's so obvious but hearing someone point out: the time crunch on having a vax has nothing to do with 200,000 people dead. It's exclusively because of the presidential election. It's so fucking insane but also completely obvious.
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Postby tgk » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:38 pm

Didn't they say that even if there is a vaccine it'll be more like the flu shot and make you less susceptible to worse symptoms but it won't be a cure
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Postby badhat » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:46 pm

tgk wrote:Didn't they say that even if there is a vaccine it'll be more like the flu shot and make you less susceptible to worse symptoms but it won't be a cure


even to the extent that this is true its still worthwhile.

That Atlantic article last week about all of the logical failures of our response introduced me to the phrase serial monogamy of responses, which is like, we just jump from one thing to another to "solve" this whether its tracing or masks or hygiene or therapeutics or a vaccine or ventilation or behavioral and cultural shifts.

and then theres inevitably some study or outcome that pokes a hole in them as a cure-all (theyre ONLY 12% effective, or whatever) and everyone loses hope and moves on to the next thing. but the point is that its all a numbers game and if you can combine all of those things, you can turn COVID into at least a sustainable health risk. i think the general public weighing in on the cost benefit of saving lives via policy measures that cost money and impact personal freedom got a lot of folks indignant but literally all of public health policy has always been about that math, so it feels a little disingenuous to me that anybody is pretending this is a new thing.

the problem is that stupid people sold "flattening the curve" as a temporary, discrete measure that would lead to a cure and normalization on a knowable timeline, when flattening the curve was always most likely going to require sustained commitment of indefinite length, so much so that the "holding-our-breath" for some in-determinant amount of time was doomed to fail.

but... all of these small measures do add up to a much flatter curve and at some point, the the curve will flatten into a horizontal line where the acceptable impact vs disruption and cost are sustainable to most people, but it will be a nonzero line, for some time, most likely.
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Postby badhat » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:50 pm

a good outcome for this would be more people going to school for public health and public health policy bc of a perception that the jobs are secure and that sorta mainstreaming PH as a discipline and a way to frame problems.

but at the end of the day i think PH and american individualism/libertarianism are fundamentally at odds so not expecting miracles but we could sure use more PH literacy and people in the field.
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Postby Geoff » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:47 pm

Frank wrote:what in the fuck is this graph cc: Geoff



you are right I do not like this chart
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Postby port » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:16 pm

I have to cling to some kind of hope to a return to normalcy because my line of work depends on it. Like I realize this has made things shitty for the way some people work but my job is just gone gone gone unless we can somehow, someday go back to what things once were.

Or, can anyone recommend a new career for someone good at creative problem solving, scheduling, dealing with artistic types and generally staying cool in high pressure situations? I can also count to eight extremely well and grizzled old stagehands either love or hate me but I don’t care which.
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Postby oblivious fool » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:19 pm

Geoff wrote:
Frank wrote:what in the fuck is this graph cc: Geoff



you are right I do not like this chart


Same here Geoff. I mean really, where the FUCK is heroin??
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Postby ghostmouth » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:23 pm

port wrote:Or, can anyone recommend a new career for someone good at creative problem solving, scheduling, dealing with artistic types and generally staying cool in high pressure situations? I can also count to eight extremely well and grizzled old stagehands either love or hate me but I don’t care which.


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Postby joe » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:24 pm

Geoff wrote:
Frank wrote:what in the fuck is this graph cc: Geoff



you are right I do not like this chart


when i took grad micro, our professor would teach optimization theory by literally reading wall of text slides of theorems and such. we all did terribly on our first exam, and when he started to go over it he kept fucking up some of his solutions on the board. he was losing control of the class, just steadily increasing discontented murmurings from the audience until it got to a point when he was trying to show us how to prove boundedness and did this on the board:

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someone stage whispered "Look at that fucking graph" and we all lost it.

In conclusion, Look At That Fucking Graph
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Postby badhat » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:52 pm

port wrote:I have to cling to some kind of hope to a return to normalcy because my line of work depends on it. Like I realize this has made things shitty for the way some people work but my job is just gone gone gone unless we can somehow, someday go back to what things once were.

Or, can anyone recommend a new career for someone good at creative problem solving, scheduling, dealing with artistic types and generally staying cool in high pressure situations? I can also count to eight extremely well and grizzled old stagehands either love or hate me but I don’t care which.


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Postby sadville » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:08 pm

thanks for the good vibes y'all <3

fever broke last night and i feel much better today. the worst it got for me was feeling like the flu, and i didn't have much in the way of coughing. and if this is as bad as it gets for me, then i'll consider myself lucky.
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Postby alaska » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:15 pm

coop wrote:


I hope it's sent out in little vials labeled Vaccine like this
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Postby howiep » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:21 pm

port wrote:I have to cling to some kind of hope to a return to normalcy because my line of work depends on it. Like I realize this has made things shitty for the way some people work but my job is just gone gone gone unless we can somehow, someday go back to what things once were.

Or, can anyone recommend a new career for someone good at creative problem solving, scheduling, dealing with artistic types and generally staying cool in high pressure situations? I can also count to eight extremely well and grizzled old stagehands either love or hate me but I don’t care which.


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Postby Hal Jordan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:39 am

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regular ol' slokra wrote:teams is fine


You can not permanently mute people, so if you have a dickhead you have to either constantly mute all or kick them from the meeting. I had a kid who bought a fart machine. And another who thought playing clips of porn was funny.

But the district is a Microsoft district hence Teams.


jus comin in to complain about the ppl in meetings whose default is to leave themeselves unmuted when it's a class/presentation. like, you are not participating that often, mute your damn self and only unmute when you want to speak up.

constantly hear people's cell phones and ambiant noise. one woman yesterday, who probably spoke only a few times over 8 hours, left herself unmuted so i got to hear her yell at a kid for sitting on a tv (???) which was cool and just straight up yelling at people in other rooms.
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Postby tgk » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:56 am

bdb is such a dope


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Postby port » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:03 am

howiep wrote:
port wrote:I have to cling to some kind of hope to a return to normalcy because my line of work depends on it. Like I realize this has made things shitty for the way some people work but my job is just gone gone gone unless we can somehow, someday go back to what things once were.

Or, can anyone recommend a new career for someone good at creative problem solving, scheduling, dealing with artistic types and generally staying cool in high pressure situations? I can also count to eight extremely well and grizzled old stagehands either love or hate me but I don’t care which.


i was a musician and a improviser in chicago but now i live at the base of a mountain and am an innkeeper. a peaceful simple life.


Now that’s the stuff.
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Postby xxx-xxx-xxxx » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:09 pm



this fucking country--- Pat Mahomes could literally drop dead on the field of COVID and it wouldnt change a thing about how stupid this country is
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Postby Puerto Rican Vegan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:24 pm

re: public health response

the most frustrating thing that i can't stop thinking about is how easy it would be to curb this with a coordinated effort. with universal health care, masks, maybe a vaccine in the future, testing sites, accurate data etc. this wouldn't be a big deal at all.

it's doubly frustrating because i thoroughly believe that the virus' origin was from some ancient frozen animal getting unfrozen by climate change, and that's likely to happen again, with potentially more damaging viruses. i think in the scheme of things covid will be looked at as a mild one, while some fucking mastodon corpse unleashes holy hell on a bird that flies down to Korea and infects the human population. really hope that doesn't happen but it seems inevitable.
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Postby cartola » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:33 pm

hells yeah mastodon corpse new genre of failure,

the navajo nation has done a good job containing the virus. the issue is leadership.

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