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Postby hatertime » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:09 am

If you wanna see ol' stone pitbull give a brainbuster to Kenny Omega gimme a hell yeah
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:07 pm

Last 5-10 minutes of Omega/Ishii was pretty great
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Postby buriedinspace » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:09 am

Pet peeve: guy hits move into pinning combo, rolls out of it into a lateral cover.
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Postby buriedinspace » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:05 pm

G1 Top Five:

1. Omega/Naito
2. Ibushi/Ishii
3. Ibushi/ZSJ
4. Omega/Ishii
5. Okada/Elgin
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Postby buriedinspace » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:07 am

As someone who has generally been less into Ishii than most and notably dislikes Juice, I am almost disappointed to report that their G1 match was fucking great.
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Postby santos l halper » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:57 pm

So, G1 finals possibilities and speculation:

A Block:
If White beats Evil and Okada beats Tanahashi, White wins the block.
If White loses to Evil and Okada beats Tanahashi, Okada wins the block.
If Tanahashi wins, he wins the block.

B block:
If Naito beats ZSJ and Ibushi beats Omega, Naito wins the block.
If Naito loses to ZSJ and Ibushi beats Omega, Ibushi wins the block.
If Omega beats Ibushi, Omega wins the block.

There are other complications involving draws, but those are the only three people in contention for each block.

From this, I would say I don't expect White to go to the final, and my assumption has always been that whoever wins A block wins the whole thing, because they tend to keep the guys who are going to be main eventing WK apart in the G1. I don't know who I'd think is more likely between Okada and Tanahashi - Okada/Omega again is possibly the bigger match, though obviously they've run it four times in the last eighteen months. On the other side of that, Tanahashi and Omega have been kept apart since their one match for the IC belt in early 2016 (the planned rematch never happened due to Tanahashi getting injured), so that would be a big-time match that they've obviously been avoiding for a reason - whether it's at WK or not, it's obviously being saved for a big show. Even more so this depends on how long they want Omega's run with the belt to win - I'd say it's a lock that if Okada wins the G1, he's winning at WK, and if Tanahashi wins, Omega is retaining.

If Okada or Tanahashi are winning, then I'd expect Ibushi to win the B block, simply because they're not going to have the G1 final be the same as the WK main event, much less have Omega lose in that match, and I don't think they'd want Naito losing to Okada again at this point. I guess Naito could lose to Tanahashi, but Ibushi is probably the better choice.

If I'm picking, I'd say Tanahashi/Ibushi is the final and Tanahashi wins. Having said all of this, a few days out from the 2016 final myself and everyone else were convinced Naito was beating Omega, going to the final and winning the whole thing, and look how that panned out.
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Postby buriedinspace » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:13 pm

santos l halper wrote:So, G1 finals possibilities and speculation:

A Block:
If White beats Evil and Okada beats Tanahashi, White wins the block.
If White loses to Evil and Okada beats Tanahashi, Okada wins the block.
If Tanahashi wins, he wins the block.

B block:
If Naito beats ZSJ and Ibushi beats Omega, Naito wins the block.
If Naito loses to ZSJ and Ibushi beats Omega, Ibushi wins the block.
If Omega beats Ibushi, Omega wins the block.

There are other complications involving draws, but those are the only three people in contention for each block.

From this, I would say I don't expect White to go to the final, and my assumption has always been that whoever wins A block wins the whole thing, because they tend to keep the guys who are going to be main eventing WK apart in the G1. I don't know who I'd think is more likely between Okada and Tanahashi - Okada/Omega again is possibly the bigger match, though obviously they've run it four times in the last eighteen months. On the other side of that, Tanahashi and Omega have been kept apart since their one match for the IC belt in early 2016 (the planned rematch never happened due to Tanahashi getting injured), so that would be a big-time match that they've obviously been avoiding for a reason - whether it's at WK or not, it's obviously being saved for a big show. Even more so this depends on how long they want Omega's run with the belt to win - I'd say it's a lock that if Okada wins the G1, he's winning at WK, and if Tanahashi wins, Omega is retaining.

If Okada or Tanahashi are winning, then I'd expect Ibushi to win the B block, simply because they're not going to have the G1 final be the same as the WK main event, much less have Omega lose in that match, and I don't think they'd want Naito losing to Okada again at this point. I guess Naito could lose to Tanahashi, but Ibushi is probably the better choice.

If I'm picking, I'd say Tanahashi/Ibushi is the final and Tanahashi wins. Having said all of this, a few days out from the 2016 final myself and everyone else were convinced Naito was beating Omega, going to the final and winning the whole thing, and look how that panned out.
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My guess:

EVIL beats White, when Bushi blows mist in White's eyes, after an attempt to cheat by White. White blames Chaos for not having his back. Okada beats Tanahashi in the 30th minute of their match.

Sabre beats Naito with a wacky sub, Ibushi draws with Omega

Omega/Okada V is the G1 Final. Okada beats Omega (tying them back at 2-2-1, with both having victories in title matches and G1 matches) and White and the BC OGs destroy both and form their own faction to end the show.

The fall sees big show mains like:

White/G.O.D. vs Okada/Golden Lovers
Ishii vs Omega
White vs Omega

And somewhat out of nowhere at the last PPV before WK, we get Naito/Omega, with Naito winning the title.

WK is headlined by

Naito (c) vs Okada for the IWGP title (can Naito beat Okada at WK storyline continues)
Ibushi vs Omega, no time limit
Jericho vs Tanahashi for the IC title
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Postby buriedinspace » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:56 am

Renee Young is filling in for Coach this Monday. Curious to see how it goes! She's supposed to call the Mae Young Classic, as well. I bet they're going to have her do Evolution too.
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Postby jumper » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:01 pm

Always happy about more Renee
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Postby Bartatua » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:15 pm

you could have a dead body hooked up to electrodes fill in for coach and it would be an improvement
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Postby santos l halper » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:40 am

Another fantastic Okada/Tanahashi match, but what else do you expect at this point.
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Postby 58769 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 am

tana slapping okada and breaking his wrist control was so good

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Postby buriedinspace » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:51 am

Last 5 minutes or so were great.

I think draws are my favorite result, not just in wrestling but MMA too. I may just like the idea of no one having to lose? And/or the direct 'they will have to meet again to figure out who really is the better man!'? I dunno, but I <3 draws.Toggle Spoiler
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Postby buriedinspace » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:57 am

buriedinspace wrote:Last 5 minutes or so were great.

I think draws are my favorite result, not just in wrestling but MMA too. I may just like the idea of no one having to lose? And/or the direct 'they will have to meet again to figure out who really is the better man!'? I dunno, but I <3 draws.Toggle Spoiler


Then again, maybe I just like an exciting anti-climax? A match that I still think really well of in spite of others saying 'ugh, what a bullshit DQ finish' was the Angle/Austin SummerSlam match where the story was 'Angle survived *3* Stunners and Austin had to get himself intentionally DQ'ed to keep the title' - I loved the story of that and thought it was building something interesting. Then 9/11 happened and they just cut the story short and decided they need to give the red, white and blue guy the belt as soon as possible but in the moment, I remember loving that.Toggle Spoiler
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Postby buriedinspace » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:59 am

In keeping with my last comment: what's the match you'd rate ***** (or, I guess, above) that you think the most people would disagree with?

(fwiw: mine, as indicated above: Austin/Angle SummerSlam 2001)
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Postby Double McDouble » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:19 pm

Reigns vs. Lesnar (WM 31)
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Postby Milk » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:47 pm

Bartatua wrote:you could have a dead body hooked up to electrodes fill in for coach and it would be an improvement


yeah hes fucking dreadful. He doesn't seem to attempt to think before he says anything.

Which often is what booker did but it was at least often funny and it was entertaining to hear him try to fix/justify whatever he had just said. They need to have another person like corey graves and by that i mean someone who's young (or at least completely new to this) and hungry to prove themselves. Cause it makes them care and if you care you're gonna try to be good.

Anyway super bored with main roster WWE as of late. Yeah it's always meh but it seems worse now. Other than Rollins who is always delivering no matter who he's against what is there going on? (actually speaking of Mcintyre is bringing it and that whole angle is ok because with him and Ziggler you know you're gonna get decent matches at least). Love Owens and Braun but this feud is not very interesting. Fucking Roode now is in a feud with Mojo Rawley. B team,hey great for these guys but...not exactly bringing it and crowd is already tired of the novelty. but hey they're finally giving the revival something to do and i'm guessing Authors of pain too when they'll be done with that way too long Titus Worldwide feud). Don't care for Wyatt-Hardy, they could be doing something more with this but Wyatt is in it so why would they care to do anything?

I'll say this and i know this place hates Corbin and i was the same for a long time and probably you'll disagree but his constable thing? Not bad..it finally gives him somrthing to do other than amble around and being like "i'm the lone wolf" and just being boring as shit. I think he's doing good work in this role and it gives him a character you can define. and he's never gonna be a super worker but if he can at LEAST justify being there by not being all around bland.

What else? Bobby Lashley, no please, should never have signed him back.

Elias, ok and i watched this stupid doc and it was fun but he's kinda stagnating right now? And it's kinda funny how much screen time he gets and yet how little he actually wrestles.

On SD i could not give LESS a shit about Hardy Orton, Orton needs to go forever, and Jeff, he's too hurt now and I never liked him as a character cause he was never good at much other than in ring but now im especially bored. It's too bad casual fans need name recognition because you could be replacing like 5 or 6 guys easy on main roster right now with NXT guys and it would improve the show for the rest of us dramatically

And yeah no, no point in addressing Roman Lesnar... though i will say they FUCKING better get that belt off Lesnar but i'm not convinced but then it will make ROman look like a real chump if he doesn't get that belt now so i don't even know.

Anyway i could go on but this is already a lot. There's just nothing much at all to look forward to right now. Well, AJ-Joe could/should be good i guess.
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Postby Milk » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:55 pm

and you know they keep going about the women revolution but you know what they have not or at least have seldom done for the women's division? Given them good writing.

I'm really wondering if...maybe, like i don't know their writer staff, but i'd doubt there's any women on it? (come to think of it yeah i've never heard of a woman writer in wrestling) And maybe it's what they need, i don't know. Like i'm not saying WOMEN NEED TO BE DOING WOMEN STUFF. More the opposite in a way. I feel the writing tries to much sometimes to be like "well they're women, how would they go about doing/saying these things?" And then this is how you get this is your life segments or bullying segments though i get with the latter they were kinda trying the "message" approach with younger fans.
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Postby Bartatua » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:56 pm

Double McDouble wrote:Reigns vs. Lesnar (WM 31)


i was just talking about this match the other day

i think it's kind of a modern classic

even reigns totally had the crowd as they were building toward the end
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Postby Bartatua » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:00 pm

and yeah i'm into constable corbin

i always like a heel wrestler who defects to be one of the suits (except hhh, because...you know there's no need to go into it)
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Postby gargamel » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:00 pm

tana vs okada was ~so good~

i love new japan pro wrestling, sometimes i feel like it is the only hobby that gives me pleasure these days
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Postby Double McDouble » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:12 pm

Bartatua wrote:
Double McDouble wrote:Reigns vs. Lesnar (WM 31)


i was just talking about this match the other day

i think it's kind of a modern classic

even reigns totally had the crowd as they were building toward the end

yeah i feel like this one gets a rep of being a mediocre match that was saved by an unexpected and exciting cash-in but it was honestly a 4+ star match even without the cash in, imo.
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Postby shirts optional » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:43 pm

Raw needs a new major heel stable badly; just turn Roman or Finn already
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Postby Bartatua » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:44 pm

i watched the 90 minute raw this week and it was fairly boring

rollins is so much more over than reigns, get your shit together wwe
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Postby Bartatua » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:47 pm

felt like the rousey match was a classic example of everything they do having to be a part of some grand narrative. you're not allowed to just have a squash match anymore to build someone. instead there have to create a friendship between the squashee and the main heel out of thin air so there can be a bunch of other people out there fucking around making a 30 second match longer so you can do the meaningful look with the upcoming opponent when you could just have ronda smash her opponent in 15 seconds then cut to alexa watching on the monitor backstage looking scared
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Postby nosebleeds » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:53 pm

So, does a reuniting Shield help Roman win and fend off a cashing in Strowman or does Ambrose turn and cost Roman the belt?
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Postby Milk » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:54 pm

Bartatua wrote:i watched the 90 minute raw this week and it was fairly boring

rollins is so much more over than reigns, get your shit together wwe



yeah this is absolutely the most ridiculous shit about this. An he HAS to be moving merch i feel?


It was some months back i thought for a while there, stupidly, that it seemed like they were thinking of switching to Rollins. And then it didn't happen. Like what the fuck is wrong with Rollins as top guy? What does Roman have he does not? A more marketable face? Slightly maybe, a bigger physique. Who cares anymore? That's all i have. Rollins is not great on the mic, he's just ok, but he's still way ahead of Roman. And the in ring well, just look at the comparisons in reactions from the crowd. It's completely stupid. Anyway, IC title is the main title on Raw with Lesnar not being there. So it's almost like, casuals think Roman is top guy, everyone else realises it's Rollins.


Fuck you want to make money!?!? Turn Roman heel, Rollins-Roman feud. That's money. And involve Ambrose somehow.
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Postby nosebleeds » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:58 pm

Roman should have been the one to turn heel way back when Rollins did.
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Postby Milk » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Bartatua wrote:felt like the rousey match was a classic example of everything they do having to be a part of some grand narrative. you're not allowed to just have a squash match anymore to build someone. instead there have to create a friendship between the squashee and the main heel out of thin air so there can be a bunch of other people out there fucking around making a 30 second match longer so you can do the meaningful look with the upcoming opponent when you could just have ronda smash her opponent in 15 seconds then cut to alexa watching on the monitor backstage looking scared



Well it's because James got injured. So they went and pretended that Fox was always Bliss's friend. It's like fuck we really wanted to keep going with this, just change the actor and pretend it's the same role. And i think it's to also invovle Natalya. Which was also dumb how like...oh Rousey is here now, and she's Natalya's fiend so...instant Nattie face turn. Not that you know, Nattie has been there so long she's just a utility player now and nobody REALLY cares. Like fox actually. Or James.
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