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Postby Brouhaha » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:45 pm

Nunes says she still wants the Cyborg fight and Dana is all for it but Cyborg would rather fight a legit 145er.
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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:05 am

Whit got injured, so Yoel is fighting Rockhold for an interim. Bummer it being in his hometown and all

that div is cursed
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:57 am

Brouhaha wrote:Whit got injured, so Yoel is fighting Rockhold for an interim. Bummer it being in his hometown and all

that div is cursed


Already a weak card before it. I don't say this often but they should downgrade to TV or cancel- it's going to do ~100k, tops
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Postby zach york » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:56 pm

Urijah Hall vs Belfort scratched from tomorrow's card. Hall couldn't weigh in.
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Postby Brouhaha » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:56 pm

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Postby zach york » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:33 pm

Michael Johnson having a tough go recently. He's now lost 5 of his last 6 and been finished 3 straight times.
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Postby Brouhaha » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:19 am

vitor-bisping in london probably will happen, both their final fight

and ufc in russia is a reality, rumored for sept
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Postby Brouhaha » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:23 pm

why did bellator schedule a saturday night event(usually fridays)? they have an alright card but going against 220 will get them pretty low viewership
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Postby Brouhaha » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:33 pm

fair enough

“I think if you look at our past history, we have traditionally done I want to say 80 percent of our shows on Friday night and we’re happy to do shows on Friday night, it’s just that we have a business to run, they have a business to run and this is a fight that just happens to conflict,” Coker said. “We didn’t know when we booked the date that they had a pay-per-view date. We just said, ‘Hey, this is the date that’s only available that’s open for Paramount and it’s the launch of the network, it has to be on this weekend, and the venue was available and the venue happens to be in California, which we’re not going to go on a Friday night in California, which would be a terrible mistake (due to traffic).
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Postby joymonger » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:40 pm

bellator card is arguably deeper than ufc 220...but i'm not gonna miss ngannou vs stipe or cormier vs volkan.
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:30 am

yeah not sure yet if I wanna bother with 220 as both those fights might be instagram short
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:16 pm

I want Ferguson to beat Khabib so he can fight Conor in Russia :lol:

and Bisping turned down the Vitor fight

edit - JJ-Rose possibly at 223
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Postby Brouhaha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:57 pm

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Postby REAL BASED SLOB » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:07 pm

When John Walsh refers to criminals as cowards and creeps I just get more jacked
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Postby swift » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:21 pm

Francis Ngannou (-175) vs. Stipe Miocic (+165)
He's the champ for a reason. Ngannou hasn't fought anybody on this level. Stipe won't stand there and let himself get knocked out.

Daniel Cormier (-290) vs. Volkan Oezdemir (+260)
Puncher's chance and Cormier is 38 years old. Maybe a weird short hook catches him in a clinch.

Shane Burgos (-125) vs. Calvin Kattar (+105)
Staying away from this but looking forward to the fight.

Gian Villante (-170) vs. Francimar Barroso (+150)
Villante hasn't seen a punch he didn't mind taking on the chin. Not looking forward to this fight much.

Thomas Almeida (-120) vs. Rob Font (EVEN)
Almeida is better than Font. Should be a good contest though.
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Postby Brouhaha » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:33 pm

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Postby swift » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:38 am

DC on weight. Dude's a pro. Really is remarkable that he's never missed despite obviously having a bad cut.
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Postby Brouhaha » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:22 pm

Hoping DC finishes him in the first then points to his imaginary wristwatch
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Postby j-ol » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:47 pm

took a while for me to realize, being that i appreciate him as a fighter, but stipe miocic has a repellant personality and i hope he loses big time.
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Postby buriedinspace » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:49 pm

j-ol wrote:took a while for me to realize, being that i appreciate him as a fighter, but stipe miocic has a repellant personality and i hope he loses big time.


Does he? He's always seemed like an OK dude to me?

Maybe it's the volunteer fire fighter thing masking something else though...
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Postby buriedinspace » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:52 pm

Regardless, I doubt he's anywhere near as bad as Paulo Costa, who I was thinking seemed like a cool prospect till...

https://www.mmamania.com/2018/1/12/16882832/paulo-costa-offers-to-beat-up-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-for-free-ufc-mma
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 am



There's some rumors that a (possible double retirement) fight with Brown vs Condit is being worked on for the same show. Which... holy shit for a 1-2 punch of action fights.
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:54 am

Call it UFC: VIOLENCE
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:20 am

Hypothetical:

Ngannou is the real deal. He beats Stipe in the first round in similar fashion to Overeem (highlight reel KO)

His next fight is vs Cain during International Fight Week. A major co-main is on the card (let's say Cyborg vs Nunes). He wins and Cain specifically can't take him down. KO. He calls out Brock Lesnar.

Ngannou faces Brock at the end of the year. Undercard is a net neutral - a top contenders fight in a different division as co-main, a fun action fight third from the top. Ngannou destroys him (naturally)

Ngannou then faces Jon Jones, fresh off a one year suspension in the first quarter of 2019 - same sort of net neutral undercard.

What do you think the buys for these shows are? I guess the question is: what is the absolute peak of drawing potential for Ngannou? Is it being the new Tyson? Is it Conor/Ronda/Lesnar territory? Or, despite all attempts, is there limits to a UFC heavyweight's drawing potential in 2018?
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:21 am

I guess all of those could also apply to Stipe, although, honestly, I'm not sure he'd care to fight Lesnar? Maybe he would, as a craven cash grab?
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:31 am

My feeling is:

Miocic/JDS 2 did around 300k. Miocic/Overeem did almost 500k but a lot of that was CM Punk. Guessing tonight does 425.

Cain/Ngannou would do... 550? 600? Stipe/Cain would do 400-450? But if it's IFW, I'd up it to 650-700 and 550-600 respectively (with the Cyborg/Nunes co-main)

Brock/Ngannou would do around a million. 1.2 mill with a masterful build and a better undercard. Brock/Stipe feels like... 800k? 850?

Jones/Ngannou would probably also do around a million. If you can really convince people Jones is for real at heavyweight (maybe if he comes back a little earlier and beats a top contender first?) then, again, 1.2 million isn't out of the question. Stipe/Jones, again, feels like 800k? 750?

I just think Ngannou's peak drawing power is higher - the physical presence, the 'MMA Tyson' comparison point, the highlight reel KOs. He also is a being of pure hype, at this point. Stipe had early career stumbles and doesn't have the charisma. Obviously, a quarter million plus buys isn't anything to sneeze at, though - if he maximizes his potential and gets the right opponents, I do think he can be somebody. But Ngannou's peak is a really interesting hypothetical, I think.
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:28 pm

FWIW:

The main card airs on pay-per-view at 10 p.m. ET. This portion is as follows:

Stipe Miocic vs. Francis Ngannou
Daniel Cormier vs. Volkan Oezdemir
Calvin Kattar vs. Shane Burgos
Gian Villante vs. Francimar Barroso
Thomas Almeida vs. Rob Font

The second portion of the preliminary card airs on FOX Sports 1 at 8 p.m. ET. It is listed as follows:

Kyle Bochniak vs. Brandon Davis
Abdul Razak Alhassan vs. Sabah Homasi
Dustin Ortiz vs. Alexandre Pantoja
Dan Ige vs. Julio Arce

The first portion of the undercard airs on UFC Fight Pass. It will begin at 7 p.m. ET.

Enrique Barzola vs. Matt Bessette
Islam Makhachev vs. Gleison Tibau

Main card (Paramount at 9 p.m. ET)

Rampage Jackson vs. Chael Sonnen
Douglas Lima vs. Rory MacDonald
Michael Chandler vs. Goiti Yamauchi
Georgi Karakhanyan vs. Henry Corrales
Aaron Pico vs. Shane Krutchen
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:31 pm

I think I'm watching UFC most of the night but if Kyle Bochniak vs. Brandon Davis lines up with Pico or Chandler's fight, I might flip over and if Valante and the 3rd from the top lines up with Lima/MacDonald, it's hard not to watch that one instead.
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Postby swift » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:31 pm

This might but a silly question but what is "Paramount"
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Postby buriedinspace » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:33 pm

swift wrote:This might but a silly question but what is "Paramount"


The newly changed over Spike TV, now 'The Paramount Network' (it moves from Spike to Paramount tonight afaik)
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