how's your novel coming along?

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
You're all fakes
Run to your mansions
Come around
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Postby Viola Swamp » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:07 pm

congrats garg i heard about your book and thought it sounded very hipinion
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Postby Milk » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:53 pm

Well this is it then. First draft I mean. 118 080 words. Feels very anticlimactic somehow. Might feel less so when i finish rewrites in like 3 or 4 months. Hopefully what i'll be doing is not polishing a turd. I think it doesn't help that i feel i just rushed through the last 10-15 pages like i didn't give a shit (it might ALSO feel like i rushed through the book but it was on purpose because it wasn't gonna get done otherwise and i mean it might be 98 days but i'm still looking at probably 400 hours total which then doesn't make it seem so rushed and then when you'll add the rewriting time...). .Also because i know there's a lot of fixing things and having things make more sense left to do is maybe why this doesn't even feel like i'm done with a first draft. But yay me i guess.
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Postby Milk » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:55 pm

As an aside, feels depressing to think i spent up to like 1000 hours in some games. i could have written so many books without video games. yes this is totally how it works. Any time i wouldn't have put into video games WOULD have been put towards something creative. (well to be fair in my case, it's kinda likely though)
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Postby office plant » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:19 am

im going to finish it before my birthday in November :?
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Postby office plant » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:20 am

sorry i always feel like this thread titoe is addressing me directly
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Postby kid_chameleon » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:34 am

I appreciate that this thread exists, because it causes me to feel guilty. I'm gonna write tomorrow! Congrats gargamel!
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Postby kid_chameleon » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:34 am

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Postby warmhouse » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:18 am

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tired but strong


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sensin' the finish
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Postby endless dave » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 am

I think I used this thread before to blow on steam on behalf of my girlfriend, who is on her second manuscript (the first had an agent but never got picked up). she got a new agent after her first had a mental breakdown and the firm dropped all her clients, so she spent like a year looking for a new one (luckily at least with a full realized and finished manuscript), actually got scouted by an interesting firm who read her short story on Amazon and loved it so much they offered her a deal out of pocket (which we didn't know actually still happened), and she's been shopping the manuscript since. she got some rejections so far that were frustrating and sort of reinforced a bunch of annoying and tone deaf criticisms she got with querying, but after going to a writing retreat, she figured a better way to fix some other issues, and did a close read and re-edit again and it sounds like some of the passes actually are going to re-read it along with the next round of publishers the agent had lined up, so we're hoping for some good news before the end of the year
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Postby alaska » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:12 pm

22k words . going to finish a draft before year's out

that sucks endless dave but i'm glad she's sticking with it. I got a rejection for a poem the other day (from the baffler) but it felt good to send something out (i think that was my first submission ever??) and the editor guy said "there was a lot to admire in it" which may just be a stock line but it made me feel good that someone definitely read it
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Postby Destroid » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:48 pm

congrats, gargamel! the book description sounds excellent. will be picking up.
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Postby ratbags » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:17 pm

chad wrote:i feel dead


delgriffith wrote:[Holy fuck

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Postby ratbags » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:36 pm

np
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Postby alaska » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:36 pm

i'm trying to remember which author said something like "how you feel about what youre working on at a given time probably isn't the truth" but i can't remember but also, how you feel about what youre working on at a given time probably isnt the truth
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Postby laserblast » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:06 pm

one day i will write a(ny)thing. much love 2 the dreamers of hpn
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Postby Milk » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:27 pm

alaska wrote:i'm trying to remember which author said something like "how you feel about what youre working on at a given time probably isn't the truth" but i can't remember but also, how you feel about what youre working on at a given time probably isnt the truth


i find in everything creative it (the truth) lies in between the "this is absolute garbage" self-defeating lows and the "this is the best thing ever" euphoric highs.

Both lows and highs are useful though. The lows to get you to try harder, the highs to motivate you to keep going. If you're getting neither you should probably worry.

It's also worth remembering that just because you're most likely not a creative genius doesn't mean that what you do then must be worthless.

And depending on the day your opinion may vary wildly. I have moments where i think for a few weeks this part is pretty good. then one day i read it again and i feel like the veil is off and finally i see it for the garbage it is. But then i remember what's more likely, that you were right for weeks about it or for a day?

The thing of course is with anything creative too at some point you have to get a distance from it because you can't see it for what it is anymore.

Lastly, being highly critical of your creation IS what's gonna make you good. I don't think there's any great artist that was ever "yep, it's genius, all i do" I think most probably agonized endlessly over whatever they were doing. Maybe not the absolute geniuses but then that's why they are who they are.
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Postby blab » Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:46 pm

i had several aha! moments while working this weekend

i feel somewhat confident now that i'm working on something that a) i can finish, b) will be a novel, and c) won't totally stink

if a & b & c turn out not to be lies, i am at least motivated for the time being and am enjoying this process.
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Postby blab » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:14 pm

i luuuv doing the stuff around the writing. on my last project i thought that my characters were flat. i started doing more research about my characters' occupations for this (bigger) project so i can get them to feel more convincing. i've got a cosmetic surgeon who does eyes (blepharoplasty), an aspiring chef, and a student of regenerative medicine. i spend more time reading cookbooks and medicine things from libgen now than writing, so i've been trying to make it a habit to print things out and take notes as they inspire some kind of plot point or development.\

its prob odd but i have fun reading the cosmetic surgery articles. the authors have their vernacular but are also opinionated, sometimes slamming other surgeon's techniques, sometimes being humorous/philosophical/vain

here's a picture of one i took notes on that inspired a plot point. i put a start and highlighted it so i can remember to add it in

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i guess this is the closest i can get to having homework again lol. luv to be task based

i don't incorporated rewards into my routine. although, i went to the spa and s o a k e d and r e j u v e n a t e d on sunday that i could retroactively say was a reward for getting a lot done this week!
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Postby alaska » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:00 pm

i've never been able to do sustained research (gonna have to do at least a bit for the thing i'm working on now....)

but a cool thing about a good project i think is that i'm always sort of thinking about it. like the other day i was just walking somewhere & a plot thing i'd been stuck on resolved itself! i write a lot of notes on my phone
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Postby alaska » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 pm

i sorta thought scrivener was gonna be gimmicky but it's been so helpful for productivity & organizing to have everything on my computer all the time instead of spread out in a bunch of random notebooks or loose sheets

also re: early chapters sometimes i read them and i'm like "hell yeah this could be the thing" and then other times i read them and i'm like "this is literally the worst thing anyone has ever written in the world". i guess this is banal but it's still legit sort of mystifying that the same object could feel entirely different depending on my mood or w/e
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Postby alaska » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:35 pm

Nah yeah that wasnt in direct response...i just had both responses to my thing yesterday lololol
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Postby Milk » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:24 pm

blab wrote:i luuuv doing the stuff around the writing. on my last project i thought that my characters were flat. i started doing more research about my characters' occupations for this (bigger) project so i can get them to feel more convincing. i've got a cosmetic surgeon who does eyes (blepharoplasty), an aspiring chef, and a student of regenerative medicine. i spend more time reading cookbooks and medicine things from libgen now than writing, so i've been trying to make it a habit to print things out and take notes as they inspire some kind of plot point or development.\

its prob odd but i have fun reading the cosmetic surgery articles. the authors have their vernacular but are also opinionated, sometimes slamming other surgeon's techniques, sometimes being humorous/philosophical/vain

here's a picture of one i took notes on that inspired a plot point. i put a start and highlighted it so i can remember to add it in

Image

i guess this is the closest i can get to having homework again lol. luv to be task based

i don't incorporated rewards into my routine. although, i went to the spa and s o a k e d and r e j u v e n a t e d on sunday that i could retroactively say was a reward for getting a lot done this week!


I think it's in SK's on Writing that he mentions how i think maybe John Grisham? (could be wrong on the author here, but im pretty sure it was one of those bestselling thriller guys) will basically obviously use a lot of their research to pretty much pad the book. Like it'll be 4 pages telling you precisely how i dont know, the customs work at x airport or whatever. Essentially turning a part of their book into some sort of informative article.


Anyway I didn't have to really do any real research (well not entirely true) because it's not really a kind of book that required any but i researched shit that nobody would ever notice or care about just for my own benefit. All pertaining to real physical locations. Really OCD stuff like i could tell you where a lot of scenes happen in my book but it's not like it's ever mentioned (i don't name places, cities or countries even) or matters to anyone but me. Like a part in the book where they're at a plaza and then it says the they walk two street corners to a coffee shop, i could point both places out on google map and the coffee shop will factually be two street corners away (thank god for google street obviously) I could actually go on a pilgrimage of the locations in my own book. Because yeah i've never actually been to any of those places (well save a few towards the beginning). Theyr'e not liek touristy places, it might just be a random apartment block somewhere. Or a random shop somewhere. I even researched once if a camera shop found on google street was there 35 years ago (i "needed" it to have been there then) and i managed to find property documents online of that building that told me that yes, it was. Like... it has no bearing on anything, i could have invented one. But i wanted it to be real. Granted i haven't QUITE done that with EVERYTHING in the book because at some point i had to be reasonable. But technically if someone reading the book knows the city and with the info i give about this shop location and the plaza they could know what shop i mean. Well assuming they'd first recognize it's this city.
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Postby Bad Craziness » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:42 pm

got my first official rejection letter from a publisher for my graphic novel pitch :)

amazing how much better it feels than no response at all

looking forward to collecting more rejections
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Postby warmhouse » Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:44 am

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First draft of my fourth novel finished.
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Postby Milk » Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:21 am

It's already almost all i wanted it to be (it will by the time i'm done with rewrites). For better or worse. I think no matter what happens to it beyond that, i don't care at all. It's a pretty amazing feeling. If it's just a manuscript on my shelf for the rest of my life, at least i'll know i've done this. I don't need to be told what its worth or isn't. All i know is I have put a long (still ongoing) moment of insanity to good use.
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Postby office plant » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:30 am

chad wrote:I'm seriously going to throw up I think


same my stomach hurts
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Postby object » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:45 am

Mostly posting because i want it in my view your posts but writing.ie is a good resource. Here's their page with books on writing some but not all of which have been mentioned. I'm eager to read all your novels.
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Postby kayke » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:05 pm

I'm working on an outline for a graphic novel right now and it's making my skull ache. I've had to make some big story revisions from the previous draft and I'm having a hard time finding my footing.
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Postby tarantula » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:02 am

when i was in a creative writing program, mccaffery was all "you should only commit to being a writer if you''ll go insane if you don't"

so i do
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Postby Milk » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:16 pm

I wrote mine for this reason, to exorcise some insanity, but it's also why I don't think could be a writer because i hadn't REALLY felt this way since my early 20's. Would not be surprised if i never write another book again.

Speaking of, im definitely not gonna be done with rewrites until next year now that i'm more into it. Reached the "wait there's a lot more wrong with all this then i thought" phase, suddenly seeing obvious flaws i hadn't seen before cause they were hidden under much more glaring ones. I'm a perfectionist though so this part is in a way i guess less fulfilling but more satisfying. Which makes no sense to say i realise. I guess what i mean is you don't exorcise anything anymore in rewrites so that sort of liberating part is gone but polishing makes you feel better about what you wrote. Ideally. At least the part where it was often times panic and feeling persecuted by a sort of crippling sense of urgency to get it all "on paper" while I felt it is over.
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